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This really got to me
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RE: This really got to me
(January 27, 2017 at 4:17 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(January 27, 2017 at 1:39 am)Astonished Wrote: Of course, now you're going to back-pedal so it doesn't look like you ever said you had all the answers because you're so special. Or that it's our fault that god doesn't care to communicate with us. Even if the world is his dream as you state, if there is any desire to interact in any way with his dream and/or impose certain laws or require a level of devotion, that it would not be communicated effectively is a testament to how woefully bewilderingly stupid that god is, and no such being with a level of intellect far below that of its own creations (that in and of itself should really tell you something) could possibly concoct the design of the universe and its various physical attributes. If you're going to be reasonable and say that it is impossible for, if there is a deistic creator deity, anyone to possibly conceive of its motivations, desires or presence, I might actually say I respect you. But everything you've said so far makes you sound like a dishonest hypocrite and so unless you're really going to surprise me, I'm suspending judgment til I see it. There, no foul language and perfectly civil. Happy now? This doesn't have a tenth of the emotion I'm feeling talking to this brick wall you've erected around your sense of honesty and integrity.


Your problem Ast is that you can not grasp the motivations why God does or doesn't something.
You keep on imply that God (if exist) should communicate but to understand why he (she) doesn't communicate with everybody you should also understand how his game works and you do not know that.

Animals follow the instinct so they are driven by that force towards higher degrees of consciousness.
That means towards human life but humans have already got enough degree of consciousness so instinct
play very little importance.
Now humans are not driven by that instinct force anymore and therefore the free will apply in the good or the bad.
Because of that free will God keep out of sight in order to not interfere in their decisions.
Only when humans understand God cosmic game God show up once again and as directions to proceed
are needed God is always there to teach.
This of course is only valid for those who are motivated to reach higher degree of spirituality not for those
which the materialistic game play an important role in their lives.  Lightbulb

You're the only one here who's not capable of grasping...practically anything being said here, really. You are a liar and a hypocrite by telling me I don't understand how this works, and you're denigrating yourself and your faith by calling it a game, so stop doing my job for me. Atheists statistically know way more about religions and their holy texts than the actual believers and you are living proof of this. Facts are inconvenient that way, aren't they?

Anyone who isn't a deist is lying when they say they can know anything about their deity. Period. Your holy books are absolutely useless for anything, let alone giving insight into the characteristics of deities, and your spiritual experiences are natural phenomena of psychology. You're claiming to have god's phone number and giving the rest of us the finger telling us we're not good enough to deserve it. You have absolutely no conception of how condescending, arrogant and insulting that is, even if your point is that you're completely full of shit.

Free will is not in any way infringed upon by gods making themselves and their wills known to people. How is it fair to judge someone for failing to play a game by the rules when the rules are unknown? You don't have an answer for this, no religion has any answer for this, it's all excuses, and pathetic ones that make you look mentally slow when you repeat them with no further contemplation whatsoever. I made a thread about how unbelievably stupid it is to think that free will could in any way be affected negatively by having the clearest possible message from a creator and supervisor. If anything free will is only damaged by the anarchic chaos created by this contradictory and demonstrably false set of ideologies. Without full access to the information, decisions cannot be made with full consent and when you remove consent you get...well, rape comes to mind. But I doubt you can make the relatively simple mental leap there.

No creator is doing any favors to their creation by keeping them completely in the dark or letting them try to figure it out on their own, or giving the message to one or just few fallible humans who will intentionally distort or suffer from memory imperfection or have to put selective interpretation upon? I mean, that's inviting the 'power corrupts' thing to rear its ugly head, and the god of the bible is the epitome of power corrupting, hence his character as a bloodthirsty barbarian. Any action done in the name of a creator is upon the head of the creator if it leads to negative consequences and they failed to intervene and prove that such is not their will when that would literally be the only possible way to convince the person that their convictions are simply not true. Just saying that god has a get out of jail free card for being a negligent, uncaring asshole isn't an answer, and only makes you share the taint of how horrible your master is because one can never tell when you're going to start emulating them because of something you believe without a good reason and which can literally justify anything because it excludes rationality.

So instead of trying to come up with more laughable excuses for irrefutable points against your theism, how about you actually exercise some critical thinking and concede a few points? Or is the thought of being honest utterly repugnant to you? Honestly, I'm asking. I have no idea what your mental processes are like with all this nonsense spewing forth.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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Messages In This Thread
This really got to me - by Astonished - January 3, 2017 at 11:54 pm
RE: This really got to me - by robvalue - January 4, 2017 at 12:55 am
RE: This really got to me - by Astonished - January 4, 2017 at 1:15 am
RE: This really got to me - by Little Rik - January 4, 2017 at 5:01 am
RE: This really got to me - by Astonished - January 4, 2017 at 12:05 pm
RE: This really got to me - by Little Rik - January 5, 2017 at 7:23 am
RE: This really got to me - by Astonished - January 9, 2017 at 11:27 am
RE: This really got to me - by Little Rik - January 10, 2017 at 6:18 am
RE: This really got to me - by Minimalist - January 4, 2017 at 1:40 am
RE: This really got to me - by Astonished - January 4, 2017 at 1:42 am
RE: This really got to me - by Minimalist - January 4, 2017 at 1:44 am
RE: This really got to me - by Astonished - January 4, 2017 at 1:49 am
RE: This really got to me - by Godschild - January 4, 2017 at 2:04 am
RE: This really got to me - by chimp3 - January 4, 2017 at 6:34 am
RE: This really got to me - by Godschild - January 4, 2017 at 4:35 pm
RE: This really got to me - by 21stCenturyIconoclast - January 4, 2017 at 5:15 pm
RE: This really got to me - by Angrboda - January 4, 2017 at 7:18 pm
RE: This really got to me - by Godschild - January 5, 2017 at 12:54 am
RE: This really got to me - by chimp3 - January 6, 2017 at 8:07 am
RE: This really got to me - by Godschild - January 6, 2017 at 11:45 am
RE: This really got to me - by chimp3 - January 6, 2017 at 7:47 pm
RE: This really got to me - by Wyrd of Gawd - January 21, 2017 at 8:12 pm
RE: This really got to me - by Astonished - January 4, 2017 at 2:08 am
RE: This really got to me - by Drich - January 4, 2017 at 12:01 pm
RE: This really got to me - by 21stCenturyIconoclast - January 4, 2017 at 3:57 pm
RE: This really got to me - by TheoneandonlytrueGod - January 24, 2017 at 4:38 pm
RE: This really got to me - by Redoubtable - January 4, 2017 at 12:17 pm
RE: This really got to me - by Astonished - January 4, 2017 at 12:32 pm
RE: This really got to me - by Drich - January 4, 2017 at 5:42 pm
RE: This really got to me - by Astonished - January 4, 2017 at 6:24 pm
RE: This really got to me - by 21stCenturyIconoclast - January 5, 2017 at 5:13 pm
RE: This really got to me - by Godschild - January 6, 2017 at 2:37 am
RE: This really got to me - by Faith No More - January 4, 2017 at 12:29 pm
RE: This really got to me - by Godschild - January 4, 2017 at 6:24 pm
RE: This really got to me - by Cyberman - January 4, 2017 at 10:08 pm
This really got to me - by LadyForCamus - January 4, 2017 at 10:46 pm
RE: This really got to me - by chimp3 - January 10, 2017 at 6:31 am
RE: This really got to me - by Little Rik - January 11, 2017 at 10:21 am
RE: This really got to me - by Astonished - January 18, 2017 at 1:20 am
RE: This really got to me - by Little Rik - January 18, 2017 at 9:55 am
RE: This really got to me - by Astonished - January 19, 2017 at 1:45 pm
RE: This really got to me - by Little Rik - January 20, 2017 at 10:28 am
RE: This really got to me - by Astonished - January 23, 2017 at 9:33 pm
RE: This really got to me - by Little Rik - January 24, 2017 at 9:33 am
RE: This really got to me - by Astonished - January 27, 2017 at 1:39 am
RE: This really got to me - by Little Rik - January 27, 2017 at 4:17 am
RE: This really got to me - by Astonished - January 27, 2017 at 11:59 am
RE: This really got to me - by Little Rik - January 28, 2017 at 10:33 am
RE: This really got to me - by Astonished - January 28, 2017 at 11:19 am
RE: This really got to me - by Homeless Nutter - January 28, 2017 at 11:54 am
RE: This really got to me - by Astonished - January 28, 2017 at 2:34 pm
RE: This really got to me - by Little Rik - January 29, 2017 at 10:51 am
RE: This really got to me - by ignoramus - January 20, 2017 at 1:23 am
RE: This really got to me - by AceBoogie - January 20, 2017 at 11:11 am
RE: This really got to me - by The Wise Joker - January 29, 2017 at 4:37 pm

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