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Evidence for the existence of God
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RE: Evidence for the existence of God
(January 12, 2017 at 2:11 pm)Faith No More Wrote:
(January 11, 2017 at 10:55 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I am sincerely interested in why you think that. Could you please elaborate?
Firstly, the universe is most certainly not entirely intelligible.  Quantum mechanics basically goes against everything that appears intuitive about the universe, like completely rewriting the rules of cause and effect.

I agree that QM is strongly counter-intuitive. So also are our notions about the solidity of objects and the constancy of time and space intervals. I don't see that as the same as being unintelligible. As I understand it QM is one of the most thoroughly tested and consistent theories in all of science. Its perplexing findings just show that we need a better model of causality.

(January 12, 2017 at 2:11 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Plus, our understanding of physics breaks down in a black hole.  That's not to say that maybe one day we will be able to reconcile quantum mechanics with relativity, but there are definitely holes in our understanding that seem beyond our capabilities to grasp.

Sounds more like our current physical models of some phenomena are incomplete not that the phenomena themselves are beyond the reach of inquiry.

(January 12, 2017 at 2:11 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Even if we could figure these things out, they would be such esoteric solutions that only a handful of people on this planet would be able to understand it.  I wouldn't exactly call that intelligible.

Something can be intelligible without being widely understood.

(January 12, 2017 at 2:11 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Secondly, science has shown that human reason is notoriously flawed.  Our perceptions and thought processes are riddled with bias, and our memories have been shown to be largely made up of information our brain invented and cobbled together.

All of this is true. I would say in reply that people are able to overcome those bias. While in a particular illusion, one line may appear longer to the unaided eye, one can use a ruler to determine the actual lengths are equal. As I see it reason is self-correcting rather than inherently flawed. If two clocks show a different time, I can bring in a third, etc.
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Evidence for the existence of God - by Yadayadayada - January 11, 2017 at 4:01 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by FatAndFaithless - January 11, 2017 at 4:06 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Yadayadayada - January 11, 2017 at 5:38 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Mister Agenda - January 12, 2017 at 10:18 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Yadayadayada - January 12, 2017 at 10:24 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by FatAndFaithless - January 12, 2017 at 10:26 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Mister Agenda - January 12, 2017 at 10:42 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Tonus - January 13, 2017 at 9:10 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Edwardo Piet - January 11, 2017 at 4:50 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by LadyForCamus - January 11, 2017 at 11:38 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Edwardo Piet - January 12, 2017 at 9:05 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by The Grand Nudger - January 11, 2017 at 4:52 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by robvalue - January 11, 2017 at 6:21 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by purplepurpose - January 11, 2017 at 6:35 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by robvalue - January 11, 2017 at 6:40 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by purplepurpose - January 11, 2017 at 6:46 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by robvalue - January 11, 2017 at 6:52 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 11, 2017 at 6:35 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by TheRealJoeFish - January 11, 2017 at 6:40 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Faith No More - January 11, 2017 at 6:47 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 11, 2017 at 10:55 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Faith No More - January 12, 2017 at 2:11 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 12, 2017 at 5:10 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Faith No More - January 13, 2017 at 11:22 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 13, 2017 at 2:46 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by downbeatplumb - January 13, 2017 at 2:54 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by downbeatplumb - January 12, 2017 at 2:23 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by vorlon13 - January 11, 2017 at 6:49 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Yadayadayada - January 11, 2017 at 10:52 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Tonus - January 12, 2017 at 9:16 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Esquilax - January 12, 2017 at 9:20 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by brewer - January 12, 2017 at 12:33 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 11, 2017 at 6:59 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Simon Moon - January 11, 2017 at 7:30 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Yadayadayada - January 12, 2017 at 10:07 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Esquilax - January 12, 2017 at 11:51 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Yadayadayada - January 12, 2017 at 2:15 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Esquilax - January 13, 2017 at 2:49 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Yadayadayada - January 12, 2017 at 2:27 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by robvalue - January 12, 2017 at 4:09 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by purplepurpose - January 12, 2017 at 9:57 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by FatAndFaithless - January 12, 2017 at 9:24 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by The Grand Nudger - January 12, 2017 at 10:35 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Yadayadayada - January 12, 2017 at 1:53 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by pocaracas - January 12, 2017 at 10:54 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by robvalue - January 12, 2017 at 12:44 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by brewer - January 12, 2017 at 1:42 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by FatAndFaithless - January 12, 2017 at 2:20 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by robvalue - January 12, 2017 at 2:29 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Yadayadayada - January 12, 2017 at 2:45 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by downbeatplumb - January 13, 2017 at 1:56 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by The Grand Nudger - January 12, 2017 at 2:44 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Yadayadayada - January 12, 2017 at 2:59 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by pocaracas - January 12, 2017 at 3:30 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Yadayadayada - January 12, 2017 at 4:07 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by FatAndFaithless - January 12, 2017 at 4:11 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by pocaracas - January 12, 2017 at 4:38 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Yadayadayada - January 12, 2017 at 4:51 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by pocaracas - January 12, 2017 at 5:15 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by robvalue - January 12, 2017 at 2:47 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by The Grand Nudger - January 12, 2017 at 2:48 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by robvalue - January 12, 2017 at 2:56 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Yadayadayada - January 12, 2017 at 3:17 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by FatAndFaithless - January 12, 2017 at 3:02 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by The Grand Nudger - January 12, 2017 at 3:09 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Yadayadayada - January 12, 2017 at 3:58 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Asmodee - January 12, 2017 at 3:49 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Yadayadayada - January 12, 2017 at 4:18 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by FatAndFaithless - January 12, 2017 at 4:41 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Yadayadayada - January 12, 2017 at 4:58 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Asmodee - January 12, 2017 at 4:43 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Yadayadayada - January 12, 2017 at 5:26 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Asmodee - January 12, 2017 at 6:16 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by pocaracas - January 12, 2017 at 6:57 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Mister Agenda - January 12, 2017 at 5:17 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by FatAndFaithless - January 12, 2017 at 3:51 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by FatAndFaithless - January 12, 2017 at 4:01 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by The Grand Nudger - January 12, 2017 at 4:11 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by FatAndFaithless - January 12, 2017 at 4:54 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by FatAndFaithless - January 12, 2017 at 4:59 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Asmodee - January 12, 2017 at 5:05 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by The Grand Nudger - January 12, 2017 at 6:20 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by robvalue - January 13, 2017 at 12:43 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by chimp3 - January 13, 2017 at 7:08 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2017 at 7:11 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by brewer - January 13, 2017 at 8:37 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2017 at 2:49 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 13, 2017 at 3:46 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Angrboda - January 13, 2017 at 8:14 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by downbeatplumb - January 14, 2017 at 6:21 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Mister Agenda - January 13, 2017 at 5:05 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 13, 2017 at 7:46 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Mister Agenda - January 17, 2017 at 12:00 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2017 at 7:50 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 13, 2017 at 8:53 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by The Grand Nudger - January 13, 2017 at 9:30 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by brewer - January 14, 2017 at 9:53 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by rado84 - January 14, 2017 at 1:59 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Cephus - January 14, 2017 at 7:29 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Ravenshire - January 14, 2017 at 8:10 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Cyberman - January 14, 2017 at 8:45 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by brewer - January 14, 2017 at 10:22 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by downbeatplumb - January 15, 2017 at 5:42 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Asmodee - January 16, 2017 at 6:36 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by pocaracas - January 16, 2017 at 6:48 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Opoponax - January 15, 2017 at 1:08 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 17, 2017 at 11:23 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Asmodee - January 17, 2017 at 11:27 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 17, 2017 at 11:42 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by pocaracas - January 17, 2017 at 11:45 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Asmodee - January 17, 2017 at 11:54 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Angrboda - January 18, 2017 at 12:14 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Opoponax - January 17, 2017 at 9:54 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Cyberman - January 17, 2017 at 10:04 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by robvalue - January 15, 2017 at 3:26 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by brewer - January 15, 2017 at 8:09 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Natachan - January 16, 2017 at 6:19 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by The Grand Nudger - January 17, 2017 at 12:17 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by robvalue - January 17, 2017 at 11:15 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Cyberman - January 17, 2017 at 11:32 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by The Grand Nudger - January 18, 2017 at 1:37 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by AceBoogie - January 18, 2017 at 4:19 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 18, 2017 at 1:46 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Asmodee - January 18, 2017 at 2:00 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 18, 2017 at 2:19 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Asmodee - January 18, 2017 at 2:35 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 18, 2017 at 2:42 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Asmodee - January 18, 2017 at 4:04 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Angrboda - January 18, 2017 at 7:03 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Mister Agenda - January 18, 2017 at 3:29 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 18, 2017 at 4:16 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Asmodee - January 18, 2017 at 4:46 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 18, 2017 at 5:10 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Asmodee - January 18, 2017 at 5:41 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 18, 2017 at 6:51 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Asmodee - January 18, 2017 at 7:02 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 19, 2017 at 1:40 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Angrboda - January 20, 2017 at 12:54 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Neo-Scholastic - January 20, 2017 at 4:13 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by downbeatplumb - January 21, 2017 at 9:03 am
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by downbeatplumb - January 20, 2017 at 1:37 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Esquilax - January 20, 2017 at 2:30 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by downbeatplumb - January 20, 2017 at 2:35 pm
RE: Evidence for the existence of God - by Cephus - January 20, 2017 at 6:33 pm

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