(February 16, 2017 at 9:05 pm)bennyboy Wrote:(February 16, 2017 at 6:36 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Laying aside brain itself as a proximal cause, as you asked me to do, does the process which led to that brain qualify as distal, how about the chemistry that supports that process, how about the physics beneath that? In the vast amount of explanatory space between the brain and quantum mechanics...all of it a material monist explanation..is there -anything- that strikes you as a candidate to be a distal cause?
The process you describe led to the capacity for a particular organism to experience things in a particular way. As I said, we don't "get" what it's like to do echolocation because we're not built like that. But we get what it's like to be able to know what something is like, and so do bats, worms (I think), and I suspect there's no magical critical mass at all-- that it runs right down the scale spectrum to QM.
It seems that qualia, as in the case of the bat, is tied to the type of sensory systems that an organism has. It makes no sense to extend that insight into organisms and systems that have no sensory apparatus. It is a leap to suggest that you can have qualia without senses. What evidence are you drawing upon to suggest that qualia can exist without senses? It makes as much sense to suppose that a bat doesn't have qualia for sonar, the link between senses and qualia is that strong.