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Theists: What is the most compelling argument you have heard for Atheism?
RE: Theists: What is the most compelling argument you have heard for Atheism?
(March 24, 2017 at 1:20 pm)SteveII Wrote:
(March 24, 2017 at 12:38 pm)Brian37 Wrote: There are no such things as super natural beings with super powers. The only place your god exists is in your head, just as made up as Apollo and Thor. The only difference between calling something a religion and calling it mythology, is that one is dead and the other is currently still popular. [3]


Nope, you are not going to lie and try to confuse "opinion" with fact. YOU have a position, you have no evidence for your position. If you had provable facts and not an unfounded position you wouldn't have to resort to falsely trying to bring the word "opinion" into this.

If you had facts there would be no need to use the word "opinion". But again, you defend the bible and others defend the Koran and others Buddha, and others the Vedas and they all have the same amount of facts to back them up. If any religion were a provable fact in a scientific reality we would have seen evidence of it 4 billion and 13.8 billion years ago. But funny that it only came around when humans popped on the scene and only started writing them down 10,000 years ago. Funny how we don't see cockroaches or trees invent religion and those are species far older than humans.

You are right that something is confused. You don't have proof of your statement above (bolded so you can't miss it). So, it is your opinion. It is as simple as that. 

A quick reminder of definitions:
Evidence refers to pieces of information or facts that help us establish the truth of something. Proof is a conclusion about the truth of something after analyzing the evidence. Evidence is suggestive of a conclusion. Proof is concrete and conclusive. Proof can have different thresholds. Anywhere from more likely than not (preponderance of the evidence), to beyond a reasonable doubt, to absolute. These are all arrived at by considering evidence.

So, to say that I have no evidence is simply wrong. What you mean is that in your opinion, it is not proof. That's fine, I don't care what your opinion is.

The evidence that I believe that supports my belief (another opinion) is below:

1. Person of Jesus is compelling.
2. The NT describes actual events including the miracles, life, death and resurrection of Jesus. 
3. God works in people's lives today--changing people on the inside as well as the occurrence of miracles.
4. The natural theology arguments:
a. God is the best explanation why anything at all exists.
b. God is the best explanation of the origin of the universe.
c. God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.
d. God is the best explanation of intentional states of consciousness.
e. God is the best explanation of objective moral values and duties.

Since you cannot 'prove' that any of these are falsely held beliefs, my conclusion (opinion) that God exists is rationale.  The amount of evidence meets my personal threshold for proof that God exists.

Holy giant wall of naked assertions Batman!

1. To you yea, because you like the claim, still not evidence, still a naked assertion.
2. Every religion has writing and or events they claim to be "miracles". You don't own the patent on that word.
3. No, you like the idea, and again so what, other people think their superstitions work for them.
4. Nope, theology is an apology nothing more. It is a sales pitch, nothing more.
5. Says you, so what, other people say that about other gods of other religions.
6. Again so what, there are tons of creator myths in our species history.
7. "fine tuning", yea like the fact humans can choke on food because we breath and eat with the same tube.
8. Again, see 5.
9. And Buddhists and Hindus and Jews and Muslims also claim their religions are the core of human morality. 

Not making any arguments here I have not seen from other religions.
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RE: Theists: What is the most compelling argument you have heard for Atheism? - by Brian37 - March 24, 2017 at 1:32 pm

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