(May 23, 2017 at 4:02 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(May 23, 2017 at 3:35 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: I my defense (thou I was wrong)
Would I believe uber nationalists would copy Islamic states tactics to
1. Sow anti immigrant hatred
2. Because Islamic state has stolen there tactics from other groups
3. Because they have lost by legitimate means and now seek to win by violence
Well, they didn't.
There is a reason why when something like this happens, everyone automatically knows it's radical islam. Because the vast majority of the time, it is. Political correctness be damned in my opinion. No one here is saying Muslims are at fault. We are specifically talking about radical, extremist Muslims who think Allah wants them to kill everyone who is not them.
(May 23, 2017 at 3:41 pm)alpha male Wrote: For the same reason you'd bring up Catholic pedophiles in a discussion of Islamic terrorism, I suppose.
My thoughts exactly.
And for the record, the difference between an Islamic terrorist and a Catholic pedophile is that the terrorist is religiously motivated to commit those crimes. The priest who rapes kids is not motivated by his religion to do so.
That's like saying there is a difference between human poo and rat poo.
No sorry, but again, first off you keep missing the point that nobody was singling out Catholics for pointing out their past. Hiding ANY crime is the same as justifying any crime when it comes to ANY religion.
YES people in the Islamic countries can and do use the Koran to justify violence, as well as child brides. But again both have the same thing in common, religion being used as an excuse to do both, either in hiding a crime or committing a crime.
If a flock or the power structure seeks to hide a holy person's crime I could give a shit less. The problem is humans far too often trust their religious leaders and that is NOT where our species morality is coming from. Nobody is singling you out.
The Catholic priest is preying upon not only the victim, but upon his followers to blindly assume he can do no wrong and he uses religion to do that. The same thing happens when a Cleric justifies a child bride, or sells violent ideas, he is portraying himself as being beyond reproach and using religion to get others to follow and or protect him.
Religion is what all holy people hide behind when they fear scrutiny. It still remains that Islam does not own a patent on committing crime and that is why we point to the past.
I am a former Catholic myself. I am sorry, but the rosy history you've been sold of that institution isn't as rosy as you'd like it to be. St Peter's Square contains a stolen Egyptian Obelisk Caligula set up as a monument to himself. The early days of the Catholic Church were barbaric, and even during WW2 many Catholics, collaborated with and or turned a blind eye to what the Nazis did. The Vatican's official stance even while surrounded by fascist Italy was "neutral". Now if you want to argue majorities vs minorities that is a separate subject, it was not 100% squeaky clean. No religion is ever 100% squeaky clean in it's history.
The only thing I am pointing out and I think others here would agree, DONT ignore world history even if you are rightfully pointing at others. Our species has a collective history and focusing on one label at one point and one region misses a much longer and bigger sample rate.
If a famous atheist were caught molesting a kid, or was openly advocating for mass violence, I would expect the same condemnation even in that case.
I've done it before here on this website in other threads CL, please don't make me waste the time once again posting articles about the history of crime and violence of every religion because there is a wider history and it is global and there has never been, or ever will be such a thing as a religious history that has not had its baggage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_...e_in_India
Now that is just religiously justified violence. You can find sexism in all the world's religions too.
Nobody should try to claim Islam is perfect or that the Koran does not contain justifications for violence. Unless you take world history into account, you are doomed in the future to repeat the very same things you say we as humans should not do.
FYI at least with me, you know my history of posts here don't call me PC at least me, I don't represent all liberals or all atheists for that matter.
