Organic Molecules Found 400 Light Years From Earth

[rjh4 is back]

What!!!! I said nothing in my post about atheist being a worldview. And I was agreeing with you on every point I mentioned.

Are you just conditioned to make an argument when a Christian posts something and fail to read what they write?????

Read...man...read what is written!!!

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These questions:

So, Thumpalumpacus, in your position what makes stealing or kicking someone in the teeth wrong? I mean I think it is wrong because the Bible tells us to treat others like we want to be treated. But without God, what is your naturalistic explanation for right and wrong? Is it just a result of chemical reactions going on in your brain?

If you don't want to go there...fine. Are you concerned that your answers may not logically lead to the conclusions you want?

While I agree that you cannot discuss/debate God into existence (He exists or he doesn't regardless of our discussion/debate), it will only be by discussion/debate that we can discuss the reasons why we take one position or the other and it is only by discussion/debate that the reasons can be critiqued.

I DID READ.

You, "I think it is wrong because THE BIBLE tells us to treat others like we want to be treated".

Those were your words not mine.

I am arguing "so what". We don't need your book to figure that out. 

You, "While I agree that you cannot disscuss/debate God into existence"

Me, STOP RIGHT THERE.............. I also agree with that. Your problem is that you cannot see or refuse to see that we are not treating your god claim any differently than any other god claim of different religions. 

Either you have evidence or you do not. But do not think we are singling you out or just your particular religion out. If anyone of any religion had 100% absolute proof, they could get a patent and win a Nobel Prize in "god theory". 

I did read, you are the one refusing to read. GET IN LINE, TAKE A NUMBER.

Maybe we are right and you are wrong. Maybe you need to consider that religions ALL RELIGIONS are merely human inventions. Maybe you need to consider that those things were concocted at a time when humans didn't know any better. Maybe you need to consider your pet belief is merely a reflection of your own desires. 

If someone quoting the Koran wont convince you that Allah is the one true god, then please tell us why we should give your special pleading any special treatment?

1. Argument from tradition is not valid, every religion has a history of making claims.
2. Other people quote other holy writings.
3. Everyone of every religion think they got it right.

Me, "SO WHAT".

You are totally mischaracterizing even your last post.  Let me refresh things:

You:

"Atheist" is not a worldview, please stop trying to peddle that lie.

I said nothing of the sort.  I even think I agreed with this at some point.  So...where were my words saying "atheist" is a worldview?

You:

Dawkins being right about evolution, does not mean I like or agree with everything he says or does. I have actually met him in person, and no, he is not someone I would want to have a beer with, in reality, he came across to me as a bit of a stuffed shirt. Harris is a great critic of most religions but has a Buddhism fetish I don't agree with. Hitchens also was a great critic of religion, but also was a bit of a warhawk, so even with him, NO, I don't agree with everything an atheist may claim.

Even GOP theist voters don't challenge or deny gravity, they accept gravity as a fact, but that doesn't mean I agree with their religious views or economic views. I hate to burst your bubble, but atheists don't, and should not give each other a pass either. 

Now again, you are relatively new here. I really would suggest you read a wider sample rate of threads, if you did that you would know we don't always agree on everything all the time.

"atheist" means "off" on claims of god/s. That is it, outside that we DO NOT agree on all things all the time.

This is the rest of your post. None of it answers or has anything to do with:

"You, "I think it is wrong because THE BIBLE tells us to treat others like we want to be treated".

Those were your words not mine.

I am arguing "so what". We don't need your book to figure that out. "

as you said it did.


I do really like the part where you say: "I hate to burst your bubble, but atheists don't, and should not give each other a pass either. "

I think you do give atheists a pass. If you you still think I am wrong, look at the first post in this thread, look at my first post in this thread, and either criticize Minimalist for posting some news article that provides no proof of anything or criticize me for not understanding the significance of the post. Up to this point, no one has even really commented on what was said in my original post.  So...so far the evidence in this thread seems to contradict this statement.


Lastly, I will repeat my latest questions once more hoping I will get an answer (at this point I am not very hopeful):

You still have not explained your basis for determining good/evil. You say it is "evolutionary empathy". What in the world is that? Do you mean just the chemical reactions going on in my body/brain?

Some other things to consider: In your worldview (I am talking about you personal worldview...and everyone has a worldview), where do the laws of logic come from? Are they just a product of chemical reactions in the brain?

I don't think I have avoided any question that you have asked of me. If so, please ask again and I will do my best at answering.