Organic Molecules Found 400 Light Years From Earth

[rjh4 is back]

If you need a old book of mythology to keep you from harming others, it isn't religion you lack, it is empathy you lack. Now while the word "atheist" is also not a magic word that will prevent us from harming others, it also does not automatically mean we will harm others.

Funny how every nation in the world under every religious label all have hospitals and prisons. Just like you can accept there are Jews and Hindus and Buddhists whom also do not commit acts of violence, atheists are also perfectly capable of not harming others.

Maybe you need to consider that it isn't the book telling you to refrain from acts of violence, but your own evolutionary empathy. Our species was around long before any first writing or first nations. 

If you need that old book of mythology to prevent yourself from harming others, by all means keep it. But don't pretend we need it just because you like it. Most humans can figure out that harming others causes more problems than it is worth. You liking that book only means you like it. You are still not doing anything differently as far as apology that we have seen from people from every religion.

There are good people in every religion, but that does not make the religion a requirement for 7 billion diverse humans. It just means for most, they bought the religion of their parents. You found a story you like, well so what. 7 billion humans with thousands of sects under each major label. I say the same to you as I say to anyone of any label. Get in line, take a number.

Saying that you don't harm other people and that others think you shouldn't harm people, while being a good thing, does not explain what your basis is for determining right and wrong. Sure, other religions have their own basis and with them I would probably argue differently. But I am asking you what your basis is. If your answer is: "It is just what I think." or "It is the chemical reactions in my brain." then fine. Say it. If something else, I would be interested in hearing what.

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To Popeyespappy


Assuming you are talking about life arising from non-life via naturalistic mechanisms: Really? It's as simple as that? Then please explain the mechanism for all of us. Don't hold back. I do have a degree in Chemical Engineering and have worked with technology for the past 34 years. I know I would be able to understand where you are coming from. Just lay it out for us.


So somehow it is the Christian's burden to prove that life can't happen without God? Nonsense. Since you would be the one asserting the positive that life can happen without God, the burden would be on you. Can you show that life can't happen with God? Would it be reasonable for me to charge you with the burden of proof there? I think not.

Great! As a chemical engineer with 34 years of experience, you should be uniquely suited to finally explain to all the ignorant atheists which physical laws are violated by naturalistic abiogenesis and evolution. Help us understand why it can't happen without god. Once you have done that you can share with us why you think it had to be your god and not Mbombo.

Since you have brought your qualifications in this field of study why don't you tell us a little more about them? Being a chemist doesn't automatically mean you know anything about biology. What do you know about recent research in areas such as RNA formation or Sulfur Iron world? What makes your opinion more trustworthy than that of someone like Bradley Bucar, author of RNA Oligomerization in Laboratory Analogues of Alkaline Hydrothermal Vent Systems? Because he obviously doesn't believe god was required, and he is actually working in the field of abiogenesis. As such, I'd probably hold his views on this subject in higher regard than those of someone that has spent most of their life developing pesticides or coatings. Unless of course, you can tell us why what he is doing is impossible without your god.

You were the one who said going from non-life to life was just a matter of organic chemistry. I challenged you on that and...you failed. You said nothing but merely tried to turn things around and improperly place the burden on me. In context, I brought up my experience not to say that my word has more validity than others. I clearly brought it up to let you know that I would be able to follow your explanation. Still waiting for it, though. Note, my experience does include about 10 years in the biotech area working with many PhDs (biochemistry, immunology, etc. many who were atheists) so I should be able to follow any biological mechanisms you might provide when you decide to put forth the simple organic chemistry mechanisms for going from non-life to life. And...if I don't understand, I should be able to ask pointed questions to the point that I do (which is how I was able to work with the above noted PhDs).

So...stop stalling and provide us those mechanisms.