RE: Organic Molecules Found 400 Light Years From Earth
August 9, 2017 at 10:58 am
(This post was last modified: August 9, 2017 at 11:12 am by Brian37.)
(August 9, 2017 at 10:16 am)popeyespappy Wrote:(August 8, 2017 at 9:20 pm)rjh4 is back Wrote: To Popeyespappy
Assuming you are talking about life arising from non-life via naturalistic mechanisms: Really? It's as simple as that? Then please explain the mechanism for all of us. Don't hold back. I do have a degree in Chemical Engineering and have worked with technology for the past 34 years. I know I would be able to understand where you are coming from. Just lay it out for us.
So somehow it is the Christian's burden to prove that life can't happen without God? Nonsense. Since you would be the one asserting the positive that life can happen without God, the burden would be on you. Can you show that life can't happen with God? Would it be reasonable for me to charge you with the burden of proof there? I think not.
Great! As a chemical engineer with 34 years of experience, you should be uniquely suited to finally explain to all the ignorant atheists which physical laws are violated by naturalistic abiogenesis and evolution. Help us understand why it can't happen without god. Once you have done that you can share with us why you think it had to be your god and not Mbombo.
Since you have brought your qualifications in this field of study why don't you tell us a little more about them? Being a chemist doesn't automatically mean you know anything about biology. What do you know about recent research in areas such as RNA formation or Sulfur Iron world? What makes your opinion more trustworthy than that of someone like Bradley Bucar, author of RNA Oligomerization in Laboratory Analogues of Alkaline Hydrothermal Vent Systems? Because he obviously doesn't believe god was required, and he is actually working in the field of abiogenesis. As such, I'd probably hold his views on this subject in higher regard than those of someone that has spent most of their life developing pesticides or coatings. Unless of course, you can tell us why what he is doing is impossible without your god.
Bu bu bu he has already said the bible isn't a science textbook..........
SHUSH! Don't disturb his delusion and correctly point out he ignores he is trying to have it both ways.
The bible agrees with science when it does, and disagrees where it doesn't, but don't you dare call that cherry picking.
You evil skeptic. It's like you also don't accept Poseidon as a gap answer to explain the cause of hurricanes. YOU YOU YOU STICK IN THE MUD!
He's got "POOF" isn't that enough for you? You heartless bastard.
He's got the drop on us man. The atoms were magically arranged by a sky puppeteer and we simply have to accept it.
Quote:QUOTE rji4 Saying that you don't harm other people and that others think you shouldn't harm people, while being a good thing, does not explain what your basis is for determining right and wrong. Sure, other religions have their own basis and with them I would probably argue differently. But I am asking you what your basis is. If your answer is: "It is just what I think." or "It is the chemical reactions in my brain." then fine. Say it. If something else, I would be interested in hearing what.
EVOLUTION IS MY BASIS....for why species, not just humans, but other species as well seek cooperation.
No that does not prevent species from harming other species or humans harming other humans. IT IS STILL PART OF EVOLUTION.
Evolution is why humans do both. It is still up to humans how we choose to interact with each other. But there is no sky wizard vs a guy with a pitchfork battling over the neurons in our brains.
Just like you rightfully reject Allah or the Hindu creator God Brhama as being the cause of everything. I simply reject one more god than you do.
EVOLUTION is not merely what I personally think, it is SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN FACT. DNA proves evolution.
Evolution is fact just like gravity is fact. Now if you are going to argue that your pet deity started evolution you'd be stupid to think your religion is the only to claim they own a patent on science.
We have seen the same "science is not true unless it agrees with my club" tactic from every religion, not just yours.
You still have two very important things to prove before we get to the first word in your book.
1. That even a god is necessary.
2. That it was your particular god who did it.
But please do not stupidly think Christians are the only ones who try to debunk science then when they cant get away with that, try to claim science points to their club. EVERY RELIGION IN THE WORLD has followers who do this, bar none.
So ultimately, again, you are stuck in the same boat as everyone else of other religions. GET IN LINE, TAKE A NUMBER.