Organic Molecules Found 400 Light Years From Earth

[rjh4 is back]

To a lion "good" is when they reproduce. To a lion "good" is when they kill and eat. To a lion "good" is even when they kill rival's cubs. To a lioness, "bad" is when their cub is killed by a lion. 

"Good" and "bad" as far as humans use it in laypersons terms outside how evolutionary science uses the same words is completely different. 

This is the same stupid bullshit theists pull when using the word "theory".

No sorry, when evolution talks in scientific terms using "good" and "bad" it is referring to that individual in any species or even that species itself, strictly meaning "good" is when you get to the point of reproducing, and "bad" is when you don't reproduce.

You are trying to pull some old bullshit trying to claim "Without my pet deity, we'd all murder each other".

Without your deity murder would still happen in humans so? You are stupidly assuming or ignoring that even without your particular pet deity claim, even humans have learned to cooperate without violence. 

 I have been an atheist since the mid 90s. I have no violent felonies haven't even had a speeding ticket since 1999.

If your argument is that our species morality comes from your pet deity claim, sorry, not buying it. Our species ability to be cruel or compassionate, to use empathy or brutality is in our genes, not our labels.

Your personal pet deity does not explain human morality anymore than the Egyptian sun god Ra explains our species morality.

If you feel you need your pet deity to prevent you from murdering others, by all means keep it. But don't dare try to argue others need it because you like yours.

So you agree that from an evolutionary standpoint, "good" and "bad" are relativistic? If relativistic it has little meaning in normal layperson conversation.

I never said that with God people wouldn't kill. Clearly that is not the case nor is it my position.

One of the issues that came up is incest. Is incest "good" or "bad" from a layperson standpoint and why? Whatever your answer, please provide some objective reason for saying so at least based on your presuppositions.

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No dodge. If you want to ask me a specific question...ask.

Of all of the god fantasy delusions out there why do you believe in this one (bible/abrahamic)? Why do you need me/us to give you some measure of validity to your belief? What actual evidence do you have that might lend some credence to the belief. (please don't say the bible, that's not evidence)

I have zero confidence in your chemical engineer claim. Is this another fantasy?

Assuming you are asking why I believe in the Biblical God: Because such a presupposition logically provide an explanation for things like knowledge, logic, and morals whereas other positions do not (they are internally consistent).

Second question answer: I don't. One of the things I come here for is to see what kind of arguments others might provide against my position. So far...none have been forthcoming that show my presuppositions lead to illogical conclusions.

Third question answer: The internal logical consistency of the position as compared to other positions.

If you don't believe I have a Chemical Engineering degree... oh well. Similarly, I have zero confidence that you can explain how life can come from non-live via naturalistic organic chemistry mechanisms. Is this your fantasy?