(August 11, 2017 at 9:45 am)rjh4 is back Wrote: I am not an answers in genesis person. I am familiar with them but I do not work with or for them in any way.
So other than you disagree with the presuppositions that they take to interpret things, what do you disagree with in their definitions? Note, their definitions are pretty generic and would include any presuppositions, including yours. Or are you arguing that science, by definition, cannot be done if one takes an presuppositions other than naturalistic ones? How would you define science and historical science?
Sure...the nature article itself is not historical science. I thought it would be clear that I was talking about the science being reported on. Do you agree that is historical science?
You may not "be an answers in genesis" person but by your actions here you certainly behave and think like them. I didn't say you worked with or for them but thanks for putting words in my mouth.
What definitions? If you can't point them out this is a BS question. (gee, seen that before....goose/gander)
As stated before my only presupposition is that magic/fantasy (god) does not exist in reality. I'm arguing that science can't be done with a presupposition of magic. With a fantasy presupposition then any result/interpretation (positive or negative) can be given a fantasy explanation, either positive or negative. That is not science, that's a belief in magic.
Science definition?: I'll accept the google response. Historical science?: I'll accept the rationalwiki definition that includes the studies of paleontology, archaeology, forensics and geology in the absence of magic or god. There are other fields of study that could be included as long as they don't contain magic.
The science being reported on was not historical science. Only your presupposition makes it historical science for you.
Again, if you need magic to feel comfortable and safe, fine, believe the fantasy delusion but don't expect me to. Something tells me that you have doubts about the fantasy or you wouldn't be here in the first place. The time of god being a necessary psychological tool is over. Get used to it.
Still waiting for you or the god fantasy to provide evidence of it's existence. Why do you think you and/or it keep dodging this question?
Also waiting for you to prove that Superman does not exist.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.