RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
June 24, 2017 at 9:38 am
(This post was last modified: June 24, 2017 at 9:41 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 24, 2017 at 9:19 am)Little Henry Wrote: Animals act on instinct for its own survival or altruistic, not right/wrong.Harsh words coming from an animal. Don't you act according to what is right or wrong? Also, ofc, your own survival and your own instincts and whatever you take to be altruism?
Quote:We see in the wild where a group of ducks pack rape a female duck. Are they doing anything wrong? No they are not. if they are not doing anything wrong, then why is it wrong if me and my friends pack rape a girl?If you have to ask, you're probably no more a moral agent than the duck.
Quote:Under naturalism/atheism, humans are just animals, animals with more complex nervous systems, but still just animals.That's true "under" whatever you believe as well.
Quote:Why is it not wrong for ducks to pack rape, but wrong for humans to pack rape? where does this obligation come from that doesnt exist for any other animal, but it does for humans?We call it moral agency, moral competency. It's not actually unique to us, but we definitely have an ovedeveloped sense of it compared to all the other animals.
Quote:We also see apes kill each other for land. Is it wrong for apes to kill each other in the wild? No.These sentences were redundant, humans are apes and we do kill each other for land and we -don't- always consider it wrong.
Humans also kill each other for land, so why is it wrong for humans and not for other animals including apes?
Quote:You can say humans can reason, but that just presupposes moral facts do indeed exist, ie objective morality.The ability to reason doesn't presuppose moral facts or an objective morality. It just gives us a better tool than thee other apes for investigating whatever moral facts of the matter there may be, if there are any.
Quote:Empathy? Empathy does not make something right or wrong.
No one said it did, but without empathy you will find it very difficult to underatand -why- we think some thing x is wrong. You will find yourself asking questons like..
"Why is it wrong for me and my buddies to rape some girl? Ducks do it!"
"Why is it wrong for me to kill somebody and take their apartment? Other apes do it!"
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