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Objective morality as a proper basic belief
RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
I get it, you're angry.   Wink

If you'd like to start over from the very beginning on what makes a secular objective morality objective, we can do so.  

What are we talking about, when we talk about morality.  You and I refer to harm.  The religious, in a hilariously twisted way, refer to harm.  Our empathy...refers to harm.  In fact, you can't go anywhere in the moral landscape and not hear about harm, harm, harm.  Now.  I didn't make it that way.  I didn't choose for my empathy to respond to harm.  I didn't choose for those religious people, or their religious beliefs, to refer to harm.  It's not just my opinion that you and I refer to harm, that the religious refer to harm, that our empathy responds to harm.  The subject of morality, across people with moral disagreements and disparate moral foundations appears to be referant to harm.  Our biology, itself, appears to be referent to harm. 

The subject of morality, or at least one of them, is harm.  Harm is what we are talking about when we try to decide if something is bad. 

Would this, in -your- opinion, qualify as an objective fact?
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RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief - by The Grand Nudger - June 27, 2017 at 12:40 am

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