RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
July 7, 2017 at 4:05 pm
(This post was last modified: July 7, 2017 at 4:09 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 7, 2017 at 3:57 pm)SteveII Wrote: Are God's eternal unchanging moral properties arbitrary?If they're "moral" properties simply by being the nature of god..yeah...that;s the definition of arbitrary. Whatever those properties happened to be..they;d have been the "unchanging moral properties". Gut a child or not gut a child...whichever one god did would be "moral".
Quote:Could they have been any other way? Perhaps, perhaps not--I don't think that is clear. I don't think it matters however, because you need God's nature to be arbitrary not in the sense that if could have been different, but that it still can be different..............................
Quote:The first horn "is something good because the gods will it" or
The second horn "do the gods will it because it is good?” but now
The third option (that has no unwanted conclusion): it is not God's will that defines the good but his unchanging nature that governs his will and his commands to us.
With a third option, there is no dilemma.
Regarding moral significance, that is relative judgment. I think the eternal moral properties of an unchanging God is a good place to anchor your morality. Certainly more objective than any other system.
Well, I mean except for the parts about god being an ever changing thing if you guys are to be believeed...and not being able to objectively comment upon that god in any way, or being able to cogently answer a moral dilemma...sure.
Meanwhile.....what's wrong with harm? Since you're so big on suspicion of others moral foundations...I suspect that you are using harm..and not gods nature, as the foundation for your own morality. Could a god order the rape of a child and still be moral? If so, how so, if not, why not?
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