RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
July 12, 2017 at 5:41 pm
(This post was last modified: July 12, 2017 at 6:17 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 12, 2017 at 4:32 pm)SteveII Wrote: For ease of reference, I will number my points:None of which matters, not it's having always existed, not it's being unchanging, and not it's perfection.....unless they are -moral- characteristics in the first place. Even then, it simply shows us that god's nature would conform to whatever standard of goodness to which you were referring. Gee, I wonder, what might that standard be.....lol.
1. God's moral nature (characteristics) is an objective moral standard because it always existed, is unchanging, and each attribute is perfect.
Quote:In other words, there could be no loving nature greater than God's, no merciful nature greater than God's, no greater justice than God's, etc.Why is love good? Why is mercy good? Why is justice good?
Quote:2. God cannot make decisions or command anything contrary to his nature, so all of God's decisions and commands are moral.No, that simply makes gods commands happily correlated with whatever "the good" is, god himself, described thusly..is not a moral agent. It has no moral ability whatsoever, it simply is what it is and cannot be otherwise. The tree that gives us shade. Except, ofc, when they aren't good...and I know, I know, you'll trip over your own dick from now to the end of days to argue that they were, in the end, part of "a greater good"...but the simple fact that an argument is required shows that no, gods commands, in and of themselves...are -not- always moral. With this tiny bit of nonsense..you've removed both gods moral agency and gods moral competency. Good job.
Quote:3. God's commands are the source of our moral values and duties (two different things).Hit the breaks, lol. You're mixing up divine command with objective moral foundations? Do we have a moral duty to do what god asks, when what god asks is evil? Say, the rape and pillage of a town - and the snatching up of little girls for sex trafficking? How about genocide?
Quote:Notice the moral hierarchy: God's Nature --> God's Commands --> Our values and duties. This is an important distinction that most people are just skipping over.I see no importance at all. Gods nature doesn't seem to be the starting point of the heirarchy even as -you- describe it, you simply refuse to discuss whatever you've used to make such a determination.
Gods commands are morally...spotty, shall we say..at least according to magic book (feel free to correct the hate-ball at any time?).
Lastly, -my- objective moral values and duties have absolutely nothing to do with your god. Mine have to do with whatever objective standard is used to claim love, mercy, and justice -as- moral facts of a matter.
The silly shit you describe and call a god is a stranger to each and every one, in any case, and so will forever remain a stranger to me. This capricious and arbitrary thing that you've decided to worship fails to explain morality at the outset, and does nothing to establish an objective framework -for- morality even if we assumed it that it existed. Is this thread about ghosts, or objective morality?
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