RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
July 17, 2017 at 9:33 am
(This post was last modified: July 17, 2017 at 9:47 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 17, 2017 at 6:40 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: No, I don't think I am, Their system is well aware that death is harmful and infinite torture is the most harmful, and yet they are both used as moral forms of punishment.Both as punishments for harm. It's a draconian system, but the point -is- to scare you shitless, and keep you from doing what they consider to be harmful. Those things are considered just retribution. They're not, but we're not talking about whether or not they got it right, but why they propose what they do. There's is neither an objective morality, nor an accurate morality, nor a just or consistent system of moral desert.... but it is based on harm as they see it.
(July 17, 2017 at 7:41 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Why do you think it is the basis?Because it is, and transparently so. It's not as if we haven't seen page after page of examples.
Quote:Even if harm is a common result, it doesn't mean it is the basis for it. As we have seen, "because it causes harm" doesn't always mean immoral.Still fucking up, huh? Where's the harm, amiright?
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Quote:No, I am asking you to show me where the harm is, that you say is the basis for it's immorality. And again, I'm not trying to justify it morally.... you are misunderstanding my intentions.Your intention is simply to avoid what you have no reason to deny. It's pretty silly. What would god think about all this blatant dishonesty, eh?
Quote: Perhaps, you could say this type of wrong is harmful to yourself. I could even agree, that in some way, all immorality harms ourselves.Even the immorality that we don't actualize, like "lusting in our hearts"? Even the immorality that we conceal, say..murdering your brother and hiding his body? Do you think that maybe immorality harms other as well? How about society? How about god? How about the relationship between god, oneself, others, and society? OFC you fucking do.......if you didn't, you could neither argue or believe that god was just.
Quote: However, I could just bring up again, things that are harmful, that are amoral. I think that you need to think through this some more, and explain, how you are making this relationship to make it a basis for, and not a result of.Could you...then why don't you? So far we've heard about you "harming" your phone...that's been your sole, brilliant, amoral objection. I also think it's amoral, since it causes harm in no meaningful or objective way....but go ahead, bullshit us some more for absolutely no reason, repeatedly lying like a common sinner.
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