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...Truth?
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RE: ...Truth?
(June 30, 2017 at 12:39 am)Whateverist Wrote:
(June 29, 2017 at 11:29 pm)DogmaticDownSouth Wrote: @Definately Dellusional
Too bad you decided to disengage. I think some of the response, particularly early on, were on point.
If you are still around, here are my few cents
Atheism only asks the question do you believe in god? That's it
It is not a world view, it is a question view. Now that question may spider out to effect other questions, but inherently so do most others, some have bigger impacts then others on our OVERALL worldview, but that one question does not DEFINE the entirety of a worldview.

Anyway, my belief is that if you mean intrinsic value as having value independent of our belief then you have an oxymoron. Value is a product of the mind, so without any consciousness capable of valueing something, there would be no value. The universe does not value gold more than it values hydrogen because near as we can tell the universe has no consciousness  to value anything. Therefore truth or anything else you put in the equation has no intrinsic value. There is no such thing.
I don't go to seek "truth." As a species we try to seek that which allows us to succeed in the reality that we inhabit.
Coming from an Asian background, Ayervedic medicine is will known in my household. Some of these remedies do actually have some empirically demonstratable value, not because the rituals and combinations that support them are true, but as we learn more, the ingredients may have anti-inflamamtory or anti-oxidant properties. This does not mean my ancestors were not seekig truth or they didn';t find it. They found something that worked. They may not have understood why (and our current understanding is also likely incomplete) but they found what they needed in a practical manner and if helped it was functionally true. Was there a more accurate or specific truth? probably. But their reasoning was not arbirtray but functional

In my opinion that's how it is for many of us, cerntainly my self. As the T shirt says I want to believe as many true things and not believe as many not true things as possible. Not because of an inner drive, but for purely practical sake, the more things I believe that comport to the reality in which I live, the more likely I am to be successful in that reality. It has functional value, but again there is nothing intrinsic about.

Anyway I'll take 3 cents for this nickel I just gave


Well said.  We definitely evolved to pursue dinner, not the truth.  Philosophic truths in particular are extracurricular tangents.

I agre about dinner. I don't know what a phiolsophical truth is. Philosophy is a product of the mind. truth is that whcih comports to reality. The mind only examines and processes the reality around us and it is not reality in and of its self (I suppose my mind is my reality and so forth, but there is not universal mind with universal philosphy for whcih there is a universal truth. To reach a conclusion there must be an agree basis of conditions. Any way that's a tangent of a tangent so Im truely differential and integrated.
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...Truth? - by Definitely Disillusioned - June 28, 2017 at 3:20 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Alex K - June 28, 2017 at 3:37 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by vorlon13 - June 28, 2017 at 3:39 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Definitely Disillusioned - June 28, 2017 at 3:40 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Alex K - June 28, 2017 at 3:48 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Mister Agenda - June 30, 2017 at 2:40 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by vorlon13 - June 28, 2017 at 3:50 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Alex K - June 28, 2017 at 3:52 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by pocaracas - June 28, 2017 at 3:51 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Whateverist - June 28, 2017 at 5:58 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by pocaracas - June 28, 2017 at 6:12 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by brewer - June 28, 2017 at 5:17 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Alex K - June 28, 2017 at 5:21 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Definitely Disillusioned - June 28, 2017 at 5:24 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by brewer - June 28, 2017 at 5:56 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by pocaracas - June 28, 2017 at 6:02 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Alex K - June 28, 2017 at 5:36 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Definitely Disillusioned - June 28, 2017 at 5:47 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by The Industrial Atheist - June 30, 2017 at 7:26 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Alex K - June 28, 2017 at 5:49 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Definitely Disillusioned - June 28, 2017 at 5:55 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Alex K - June 28, 2017 at 6:28 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by LadyForCamus - June 28, 2017 at 8:23 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by henryp - June 28, 2017 at 8:33 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Definitely Disillusioned - June 28, 2017 at 6:01 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by brewer - June 28, 2017 at 6:28 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Whateverist - June 28, 2017 at 6:34 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by brewer - June 28, 2017 at 6:37 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Whateverist - June 28, 2017 at 6:38 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Definitely Disillusioned - June 28, 2017 at 6:09 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Whateverist - June 28, 2017 at 6:27 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by ManofYesterday - June 28, 2017 at 6:31 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Alex K - June 28, 2017 at 6:37 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by ManofYesterday - June 28, 2017 at 6:54 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Whateverist - June 28, 2017 at 7:01 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by ManofYesterday - June 28, 2017 at 7:04 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by brewer - June 28, 2017 at 7:10 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by ManofYesterday - June 28, 2017 at 7:18 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by brewer - June 28, 2017 at 7:23 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by brewer - June 28, 2017 at 7:19 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by ManofYesterday - June 28, 2017 at 7:24 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by brewer - June 28, 2017 at 7:28 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by ManofYesterday - June 28, 2017 at 7:33 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by brewer - June 28, 2017 at 7:46 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by ManofYesterday - June 28, 2017 at 7:59 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by brewer - June 28, 2017 at 8:58 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by ManofYesterday - June 29, 2017 at 12:41 am
RE: ...Truth? - by Ravenshire - June 30, 2017 at 12:41 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by brewer - June 28, 2017 at 6:51 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Minimalist - June 28, 2017 at 6:40 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Alex K - June 28, 2017 at 6:41 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Whateverist - June 28, 2017 at 6:43 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Whateverist - June 28, 2017 at 6:53 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Whateverist - June 28, 2017 at 7:07 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Definitely Disillusioned - June 28, 2017 at 7:08 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by pocaracas - June 28, 2017 at 7:14 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Whateverist - June 28, 2017 at 7:16 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by brewer - June 28, 2017 at 7:16 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Alex K - June 28, 2017 at 7:10 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by ManofYesterday - June 28, 2017 at 7:21 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Alex K - June 28, 2017 at 7:17 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by bennyboy - June 28, 2017 at 7:18 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by henryp - June 28, 2017 at 8:07 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by LadyForCamus - June 28, 2017 at 8:47 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by henryp - June 28, 2017 at 8:50 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by LadyForCamus - June 28, 2017 at 8:53 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Court Jester - June 28, 2017 at 10:36 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by ignoramus - June 28, 2017 at 11:47 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by The Valkyrie - June 28, 2017 at 11:54 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by ignoramus - June 29, 2017 at 12:08 am
RE: ...Truth? - by The Valkyrie - June 29, 2017 at 12:12 am
RE: ...Truth? - by DogmaticDownSouth - June 29, 2017 at 11:29 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Whateverist - June 30, 2017 at 12:39 am
RE: ...Truth? - by DogmaticDownSouth - June 30, 2017 at 1:09 am
RE: ...Truth? - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 1:13 am
RE: ...Truth? - by Whateverist - June 30, 2017 at 2:00 am
RE: ...Truth? - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 2:15 am
RE: ...Truth? - by ManofYesterday - June 30, 2017 at 5:17 am
RE: ...Truth? - by bennyboy - June 30, 2017 at 9:20 am
RE: ...Truth? - by LadyForCamus - June 30, 2017 at 9:42 am
RE: ...Truth? - by Whateverist - June 30, 2017 at 5:07 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by KerimF - June 30, 2017 at 5:21 am
RE: ...Truth? - by Edwardo Piet - June 30, 2017 at 9:21 am
RE: ...Truth? - by Edwardo Piet - June 30, 2017 at 9:46 am
RE: ...Truth? - by ignoramus - June 30, 2017 at 9:52 am
RE: ...Truth? - by Edwardo Piet - June 30, 2017 at 9:56 am
RE: ...Truth? - by ignoramus - June 30, 2017 at 10:02 am
RE: ...Truth? - by Edwardo Piet - June 30, 2017 at 10:04 am
RE: ...Truth? - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 12:30 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 12:51 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Edwardo Piet - June 30, 2017 at 3:44 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Mister Agenda - June 30, 2017 at 1:12 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Astonished - June 30, 2017 at 2:33 pm
RE: ...Truth? - by Amarok - June 30, 2017 at 3:32 pm

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