RE: The Official "Damned Trump" Thread
January 8, 2021 at 1:29 pm
(This post was last modified: January 8, 2021 at 1:33 pm by Aristocatt.)
Yeah...so I'll just try to clarify before hand.
We should be getting rid of confederate statues. Easy.
I have read a fair bit about why those statues were erected during Jim Crow/the Civil Rights era...So I understand what you are getting at. I'm just skeptical that they are at all an effective tool. So that probably is where the disconnect here is.
Like I would say the same thing about the Civil Rights Act...
If the only options we had were to pass the Civil Rights Act, but a statue of Robert E Lee would be erected in every major city...Or nothing...I would still pass the Civil Rights Act.
I think the part of this discussion that I am way way more compelled to roll back my position on, is the fact that it isn't the case that we need to build a wall to get amnesty for undocumented immigrants. We can do much better than that.
But given the option to compromise or get nothing done...Let's get people amnesty. I'm also more inclined to believe that amnesty would stay in place for the foreseeable future, but 20 or so years from now, we would look back on the wall as a symbol of hate, and begin tearing it down in much the same way that we are taking down statues today. Which would be the opposite outcome from the one that you are predicting, that the wall would stay and the amnesty would go.
We should be getting rid of confederate statues. Easy.
I have read a fair bit about why those statues were erected during Jim Crow/the Civil Rights era...So I understand what you are getting at. I'm just skeptical that they are at all an effective tool. So that probably is where the disconnect here is.
Like I would say the same thing about the Civil Rights Act...
If the only options we had were to pass the Civil Rights Act, but a statue of Robert E Lee would be erected in every major city...Or nothing...I would still pass the Civil Rights Act.
I think the part of this discussion that I am way way more compelled to roll back my position on, is the fact that it isn't the case that we need to build a wall to get amnesty for undocumented immigrants. We can do much better than that.
But given the option to compromise or get nothing done...Let's get people amnesty. I'm also more inclined to believe that amnesty would stay in place for the foreseeable future, but 20 or so years from now, we would look back on the wall as a symbol of hate, and begin tearing it down in much the same way that we are taking down statues today. Which would be the opposite outcome from the one that you are predicting, that the wall would stay and the amnesty would go.