(July 19, 2017 at 4:40 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:(July 19, 2017 at 10:52 am)alpha male Wrote: If you're applying modern Western values to the era, then you must also recognize that the woman probably wouldn't have had a say and a choice anyway. She probably would have been in a marriage arranged by her parents.
So, in your view, these people gave up their daughters to be raped. Yet, you seemingly disagree with them being punished for that.
Yes, they gave their daughters to be raped. They sold her into a life of sexual slavery. That was indeed normal for that era. But at least they had some time to prepare her for it, she didn't have to watch her family slaughtered by her "husband" and then be carted off to start a life of Stockholm Syndrome, servitude and slavery.
This was also, basically, the fate of women in the USA until the early 1900's - most of the time -- without the kidnapping part. My Great-Great-Grandmother was "given" to my Great-Great-Grandfather when his first wife died, because she was an "old maid" (25) and no man had claimed her. She was asked, at the age of 94, if she had loved her husband. Her answer was "I respected and obeyed him, as I was instructed to do". When pressed, "But did you learn to love him?" - her answer was "Well I got used to having him around, he was better than some I knew, and I did kind of miss him after he passed." Her story was not at all unusual. It was typical. -- This, for many women, was the best they could hope for. Until the first World War, a female in America could not make a living on her own. They could not hold a job or own property. They had no rights.
It's too bad the all-knowing, moral deity who set down lots of rules for his beloved chosen people was incapable of telling them that women were people. The list of things this all-knowing, all-powerful, all-benevolent, all-seeing god didn't know is very, very long.
I'm sorry about your grandmother; I don't have much info on my family history but I don't imagine even recent generations were much better off given how crappy things turned out.
Isn't it abso-fucking-lutely amazing how a typical theist response will completely ignore the god-endorsed immorality and point the finger at man, giving god a free pass despite commanding women to be silent and submissive little baby factories. Yeah, people acted shitty back then, but when their god isn't telling them not to, or worse, telling them to do exactly that, then in what universe is that god supposed to be a good guy? Of course today's standards are what we use to judge them, because we have an enlightened fucking view of morality, not that backward barbarism back then that cannot be justified. Only by moving AWAY from faith-based crap do we improve all aspects of society. Making excuses to try and perpetuate them is tantamount to aiding and abetting the worst criminals in history.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.