(July 26, 2017 at 12:12 am)Godscreated Wrote:(July 24, 2017 at 1:23 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote: Wow you are dense. Slave or servant, it means the woman was under the control of her master. And not because she wanted to be, but because she was forced into it after seeing her entire family murdered by the guy. She didn't have the ability to opt out of the sex, so she didn't have the ability to consent to it either. This makes it rape. You say the Bible doesn't specifically say the women were raped? Well guess what, it also doesn't specifically say they weren't.
I don't hate Christianity, I hate people like you who think that what happened in those verses was in any way good or moral. It wasn't. Not on any level.
Hating me isn't going to help you feel better about anything but that's your problem. Like I said in to you in another thread it's sad when people through their common sense out the window. I never said that any of the situation was good for the girls/women. I said it was better than the alternatives and you do not know how these women were treated and neither do I. I can tell you that if it was outside God's will they were punished, we saw that when one man stole goods that were to be either destroyed or put in with the rest of the goods captured. You keep on saying these girls were raped when you have no idea as to what happened to them and you do not know that whoever chose the girl was the one she saw killing her parents. All you have are speculations you developed to satisfy your own dirty little mind.
Like I said to two others I'm finished with this conversation due to your lack of reasonable thought.
GC
(July 24, 2017 at 1:23 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote: 1 Timothy 2:11-15
11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
These verses are interesting. First, they show how Paul sucks at arguing. Basically: A. Women were formed second, B. Eve ate the fruit first, Therefore C. Women shall not have authority. This isn't a logical argument because Paul is making a judgement about an entire group of people (women) based on a sample size of one woman (Eve). This is like me saying all men are gullible idiots because Adam never questioned Eve and just ate the fruit because she told him to.
Second, it says that "women will be saved through childbearing". So men are saved by grace, women are saved by works? The more you quote the Bible, the worse it looks, GC.
Paul could have argued circles around you. The argument came from the creation and the punishment God laid out to Adam and Eve. The sin has always been passed down to every human being it belongs to us from birth and thus the punishments God laid down. An man in Adams position would have eaten the fruit, Eve had the knowledge he did not and so she in actuality had a power over him though it was a deadly one. That's not what the Bible says and it's not exactly what Paul was trying to get across to his readers either. i used the Bible verses and shot down WoG's argument. I wasn't afraid to correct WoG and show the real verses either, so no I'm quoting scripture and it defends itself.
GC
Yeah no, Paul was a moron who couldn't win an argument with a two-year-old. I just showed you the fault in his logic, but like a little child you just cover your ears an whine "nuh uh! nuh uh!" You'll probably just call me childish again, like the child you are, but I'd rather be considered childish than defend a god who allows his people to murder and rape. It's probably best that you leave this conversation, you clearly aren't capable of even attempting to argue maturely anymore.
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