(August 15, 2017 at 3:28 pm)Whateverist Wrote:(August 15, 2017 at 3:26 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Ok, I disagree with you about creationism pabsta, but I don't think you're a poe anymore.
My theory personally is that at some point between apes and the human form as it is now (very very close but not quite), God granted "human souls" to one male and one female (Adam and Eve), in the form of intelligence to recognize morality.
I guess scientifically you could explain that as the first neuron/brain connection, or whatever it would be, which made the difference between an innocent animal and a human who is able to understand right from wrong, thus attaining moral free will.
And I think that is an allegory for explaining the change from simple mammalian thinking to self aware sentient thinking.
I know you and the Catholic church make use of allegorical interpretations. How do you decide when to go literal and when not? It does seem that the trend over the history of the Catholic church is toward ever more allegorical interpretation, doesn't it?
Well, we as Catholics do believe in a literal soul. But I think the allegorical/literal kind of intertwine in this case.
There were biological/chemical changes going on in the brain when it finally evolved enough to have moral self awareness, correct? That's the science side of things.
But in the religion side of things, I think this self awareness brought on moral responsibility for our actions, aka, moral accountability from God. This accountability and moral self awareness is what differentiates our souls from those of the other animals, who, unlike us, are still completely innocent creatures.
So basically, what an atheist only sees as moral self awareness, we see as a deeper thing. We see it as not only self awareness due to a more evolved brain, we believe that with such self awareness comes a soul that is different and more accountable from that of other animals. And we believe there was a first female and a first male to have acquired that: Adam and Eve.
The story of creation in Genesis used to be viewed as literal. Now a days the Church accepts evolution as a real possibility, and so a Catholic is free to take either a literal or allegorical approach to Genesis. The general consensus is to take the allegorical approach (heck, we even learned evolution in catholic school), but there are Catholics out there who still adhere to a literal approach, and they are permitted to do so. However, regardless of whether we take a literal or allegorical approach to Genesis, as Catholics we still believe that God is the Father of all creation. That is not allegory. I suppose you can say that's where the line gets drawn in this case.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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