Mass shooting in Las Vegas. 50+ dead

[Brian37]

I actually agree with you, mostly.  "Wrong thinking" of various types is the problem.  There is a tendency, right now, to blame terrorism on Muslims - mostly due to ISIS - which is incorrect.  Most of the acts of terrorism in the US in the past decades have been committed by white males, most of those were Christian.  But because most of the US is Christian, their religion wasn't even considered to be part of their problem - they were just insane loners.  Violent Muslims and violent Christians, though, all tend to be of a similar stripe - fundamentalists who take their Holy Book (Koran or Bible) literally.  Their ideology comes from a literal reading of their holy book.  Christians don't want to own up to the fact that for centuries, the Church made ISIS look like 8-year-olds playing "gang member when I grow up".  Christ's words "I come not to bring peace but a sword" have been throughout history, and still are a literal call to arms for many.  
   My Catholic friends don't want to think about the bad old days.  Things are better now.  They like to sing about "we are the light of the world".  I get that.
But equating the two is not dishonest, because a slavish literal following of the Bible OR the Koran leads people to slaughter unbelievers.  God orders it.  THAT's a problem.  
   Other problems?  Violence in video games.  Training young men (mostly) that killing is a game.  Violence in movies.   Did you see John Wick?  Good movie, but wow.  Huge body count because a thug stole his car and killed his dog.  Loner, unstable, angry young men without sufficient counseling or support systems.
   There are lots of issues here that need to be addressed.  And I happen to think religion tops the list.

There's really no reason to be arguing. Next time another one of these terrorist attacks happen and the killer did what he did because he thought it was what Jesus wanted him to do, then you can throw it all in my face. Until then, let's stop bringing up Christianity every single time one of these things happens and the motive had 0 to do with Christianity.

CL you have the same problem Mystic and Atlass33 have.

You have the same problem most of our species 7 billion have. You got sold a story and then when others point out the logic you falsely think we are singling you out.

I am a former Catholic myself so you cant pull that shit on me.

1. The 3 religions of Abraham all are the same God of Abraham
2. All 3 were concocted in an age of rival kings.
3. The God of Abraham as a character demands loyalty.

Nobody is singling you out anymore than when we point out the tribal logic of Islam.


Religion motivates everyone and there is no polite way to put it. It motivates you for good or bad. It motivates Jews for good or bad, and it motivates Muslims for good or bad.

"I don't do that, so don't blame me" is what we get from every religion. 

Nobody is blaming you. WE are saying religion does get used to justify harm to others. THAT is why we bring it up, and we do it with Muslims and Jews and Hindus and Buddhist too.

Christianity has been and still is used to justify being dicks to others. Not because all Christians are dicks, but because humans mistake their holy writings as being the source of our species morality.