List of reasons to believe God exists?

[The Grand Nudger]

What?!?! The very crux of the debate is the "rights" of the mother. The baby has no rights OR has rights at a certain number of weeks--depending on jurisdiction = subjective. 

Additionally, the babies rights can then be set aside if other subjective conditions are met--which vary wildly from jurisdiction to jurisdiction (like the mental health of the mother).  

That you consider clinical diagnosis of mental disorder a subjective criteria demonstrates your complete ignorance of the terms use or application, yet again.

What?!?!? Setting aside that Planned Parenthood considers any ban to be unconstitutional (read "unborn baby has no rights"), third-trimester abortions happen all the time in many jurisdictions. The baby born at 3pm could have been killed right up to delivery. At 3:10, sitting in the incubator, it would be murder to kill it. Why? What magically happened in those minutes to endow rights to the baby that is not subjective? Location? 

More disingenuity , and yet another demonstration that you are incapable of competently employing the term, regardless of how many times you type it.  

Ah, but there is no difference from the baby's perspective--just a different person's intent. Subjective

Is the third time the charm or something?  

Differing legality in different jurisdictions is not the same as morally right or wrong, but it surely is a perfect example that the morality of abortion is highly subjective. 

To be a perfect example strongly implies that it's an example at all..which it isn't...so?  

Therefore, your harm avoidance framework as a basis of morality is NOT objective. Christian morality is much more objective because we can start with the premise the all human life has intrinsic value because we were made in the image of God with purpose. Talking about past failures is a epistemic problem not whether there is an objective standard or not.

Above, you explicitly confirm my earlier comments regarding your misapprehension.  Not only is the entire subject of god as un-objective as any subject can get...even if there were a god, which did create you for some purpose, in it's image...whatever value that circumscribes would not be intrinsic value unless it were valuable in some meaningful sense wholly apart from your creation, gods purpose, and his image.  You've managed to be wrong and internally inconsistent.  Again...a discussion could be had...but not with you.  You don't understand the terms, and we have no common point from which to successfully communicate.

You are presenting me with the articles of your faith, not a demonstration that any given moral position is subjective..or that your own (or gods) are objective. If you want to discuss any objective moral propositions about this or any other subject,..you're going to need to present facts...not only facts in support of your own position..but facts concerning the positions of others - not the amateurish shit up above. Doing so...conveniently, will demonstrate that even in disagreement everyone is attempting to refer to some relevant fact of the matter...which is my contention, and I'll remind you from the outset that "my god said/did this or that" is fundamentally irrelevant to our laws..but them's the breaks.

Your blowing up the thread with abortion bullshit left you with all of your work ahead of you, and merely reinforced my initial comments. We got to watch people disagree over what they considered to be relevant facts of the matter. It just so happens that your "god" isn't one of them on any level. The argument for legality is doa on grounds of god..and the argument for morality either stands or falls without any need of reference -to- god.