RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
December 8, 2017 at 11:22 am
(This post was last modified: December 8, 2017 at 11:32 am by The Grand Nudger.)
@ Wololo
One does wonder how many dog misdemeanors and high crimes we, as owners, commit in the eyes of a dog...unawares only because we are not able to adequately communicate between each other and lack sufficiently common points of reference.
As you mentioned, in some cases we do. My dog doesn't like to be confined. She routinely attempts to escape just as people do in similar predicaments. She also gets pouty when I'm eating good food and she has a bowl of dry cereal. She doesn't like to be hurt and doesn't like to see my kids hurt each other...she'll gum and playbite to break it up..or drag the ends of their pants.... but doesn't break the skin. Freedom and fairness. Harm, harm avoidance, duty and social bond.
She's also convinced that she deserves a reward for the behaviors above. If she thinks she's successfully broken up a border war between the tiny chimps she'll come directly back to the head gorilla, sit, and wait for her pupperoni. The greatest reward, is to take her outside sniffing around for rabbits. Desert, authority, cooperation.
The difference between ourselves and other animals, particularly animals closely related to us and even more particularly animals closely related to us and with a similar natural social structure as makes them easy cohabitators (read: dogs) is not that we possess some thing x wholly absent in them...but that our agency in that regard is better developed and more capable - even though, at the end of the day, we fail at moral competence for all the same reasons a dog does.
It was an accident.
I don't understand.
I was following orders.
He aint family.
I don't care.
I'm scared.
I was distracted.
But I really want it.
I fucking hate that guy.
I'm super hungry.
Think of the kids!
@Tiz.
I bet he thinks that "Moses" ghostwrote those portions of magic book that concern events after "Moses' " death with his spiritpen, too......it is a magic book, after all. Call me crazy, but if I were a believer, I'd be distancing my patriarchs from fiction written in their name.
One does wonder how many dog misdemeanors and high crimes we, as owners, commit in the eyes of a dog...unawares only because we are not able to adequately communicate between each other and lack sufficiently common points of reference.
As you mentioned, in some cases we do. My dog doesn't like to be confined. She routinely attempts to escape just as people do in similar predicaments. She also gets pouty when I'm eating good food and she has a bowl of dry cereal. She doesn't like to be hurt and doesn't like to see my kids hurt each other...she'll gum and playbite to break it up..or drag the ends of their pants.... but doesn't break the skin. Freedom and fairness. Harm, harm avoidance, duty and social bond.
She's also convinced that she deserves a reward for the behaviors above. If she thinks she's successfully broken up a border war between the tiny chimps she'll come directly back to the head gorilla, sit, and wait for her pupperoni. The greatest reward, is to take her outside sniffing around for rabbits. Desert, authority, cooperation.
The difference between ourselves and other animals, particularly animals closely related to us and even more particularly animals closely related to us and with a similar natural social structure as makes them easy cohabitators (read: dogs) is not that we possess some thing x wholly absent in them...but that our agency in that regard is better developed and more capable - even though, at the end of the day, we fail at moral competence for all the same reasons a dog does.
It was an accident.
I don't understand.
I was following orders.
He aint family.
I don't care.
I'm scared.
I was distracted.
But I really want it.
I fucking hate that guy.
I'm super hungry.
Think of the kids!
@Tiz.
I bet he thinks that "Moses" ghostwrote those portions of magic book that concern events after "Moses' " death with his spiritpen, too......it is a magic book, after all. Call me crazy, but if I were a believer, I'd be distancing my patriarchs from fiction written in their name.
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