RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
December 8, 2017 at 5:25 pm
(This post was last modified: December 8, 2017 at 5:38 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(December 8, 2017 at 4:59 pm)SteveII Wrote: And my contention is that there are no changes to the relevant facts from then until now that are not "biases caused by feelings, ideas, opinions, etc., of a sentient subject". I am not aware of any metaphysical reasoning nor relevant scientific understanding that would avoid the conclusion that the abortion issue always was, is, and always will be based on an opinion of relative value of the mother's concerns/desires against that of the unborn baby's life--a conclusion that is the very epitome of subjective. Unless you can provide some, you have lost the debate.
Difficult to maintain without mentioning what relevant facts to which you're referring.
I already addressed the trivial subjectivity of opinions from the outset...so I guess we're at the point where you shit on your own board and strut off? That seems...counterproductive. Did you really intend to assert that the issue of the moral status of abortion is subjective? That would mean that declarations of it's immorality were also subjective. Is this what you're declaring victory over, is this your position? If, as this all began..the existence of objective morality was indicative of the existence of a god..and you are here at least...attempting to establish that there is no moral objectivity, where does that leave the assertion that from such objectivity comes a reason to believe in god?
Which one of us is a moral realist, and which one of us just declared victory in tearing down their own assertions?
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