Men's Rights Movement

[Amarok]

Tizheruk, I don't identify as feminist nor MRA. So I try to keep an open mind about those topics. I'm seeing the point about trying to change societies thinking as a whole, but I don't see how it is possible. Maybe for future generations it can work. Like maybe in the year 3000 when everyone is pressured to be gender fluid.

But it also seems to me like the last  of the patriarchy as you call it, is not going without a fight. Hence why Trump is president etc. But That's a different story. Just looking at it from an outsiders/neutral perspective. Sorry for making that conversation about the radical feminist. But I do find those interactions very entertaining and funny. It actually happened in this thread. Again apologies for being immature and finding it funny. I need to stop this patriarchy.

I am a feminist . And appreciate your insight . But i must point out that just because we can't achieve something now . Does not mean the seeds can't be sown . And some of the ails can't be  medicated . And yes it the system that hurts us all will not die in my life or possibly 4 . It just means there is a lot of work ahead . As for the humor i think it was fine no need to apologize.

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I generally really like Khem . Especially on politics . It did not surprise me his wife's a Christian . I just imagine he's nicer to her .

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Actually, yes, I am nitpicking. Because my argument here isnt that women cant get relatively low-status jobs like secretary or nurse. Its that they are less likely to be CEOs or surgeons. And in the example you provided earlier, even in the case of a low status job like bouncer, you wouldve still gone for men over women in most cases. You were being selective yourself by conveniently selecting between two specific members.

2. You confuse patriarchy with men . Patriarchy is not a evil group of men who are oppressing women. It's a cultural idea(often held by men and women ) that locks woman and men into a certain  social context  . Often to the detriment of both genders. 

Devil's advocate here. I remember reading some time back that CEOs tend to be "taller than average" and that being over six-feet-tall was commonplace among CEOs.

Anyway, isn't "patriarchy" a bit too broad of a brush to paint with? Women on average are not as tall as men. Perhaps other factors (like height) come into play that have little to do with patriarchy or traditional gender roles, but still add to the disparity between genders concerning professional pursuits.

Which ties into the notion of ideal masculine form . Tallness is often associated with masculine dominance . And shortness in men is often met with some degree of derision. And is met with some very unfortunate stereotypes .