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Just because She's Topless
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RE: Just because She's Topless
(January 3, 2018 at 12:07 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
(January 3, 2018 at 11:56 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: The harm is subjective, it's really going to depend on the person, and how they feel (subjective). 
That's not what the term subjective harm means or refers to.  

Quote:The act in question is physically harming.
-and psychological harm, and societal harm, and self harm.   Gee, objectively harmful in every possible way.  It's almost as if sexual assault is one of the big bads or something?  

Quote:If the person feels harmed because you touched their shoulder, would you justify a similar reaction?
Shoulder tapping isn't sexual assault so I won't waste my time with useless diversion.

I think that there is more of a disconnect than I previously thought.  What do you mean in the instance between objective and subjective?  (I don't think you really understand the terms.)

It seems that most of your response is saying "duh, sexual assault is wrong" but doesn't ground it in your foundation of harm (and I don't think objectively at all).  You seem to be avoiding the issue.  Why is it harmful?    If every time someone feels emotional or psychological distress, they punched someone, don't you think that would be harmful to society?



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Quote:And no... if someone runs up and touches my dick, I'm not gong to assault them.  I don't really feel harmed, and there is no objective harm done. 
If you're comfortable standing here before us and claiming that..while you question the objective harm of sexual assault, then you do you.   I question your hetero street cred -and- moral competency, however......if you're comfy with having your pecker groped by a random male.  

Either that...or..you know, you're pretending to be dense.......again.  50/50.

Something similar to what happened in the video, seriously wouldn't bother me that much.  I would probably think it was funny.  Although I could see becoming quickly uncomfortable and stopping them for something more sustained.  Even then, I don't think I would be scarred, or seek out physical damage to the person (except in self defense perhaps).  And I don't care what you think about my "hetero street cred -and- moral competency" (just don't care about the first, and you don't know what you are talking about in the latter)

And again, I'm not saying that sexual assault is not wrong.  But you still seem to be avoiding identifying the objective harm you keep talking about.

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Quote:Is there an objective difference if he had accidentally touched the boob vs purposely?
Sure.  The difference between groping and faceplanting into someones tits, or some poor guys crotch is palpable.  One is comically miserable, the other is sex crime.   Probably shouldn't do either though, amiright?  Gotta pace yourself, falling all over people drunk is a party foul.

Not what I asked.... the two things that I asked, physically and objectively could be very... very similar.  The main difference is intent.
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Just because She's Topless - by chimp3 - January 3, 2018 at 8:10 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by vorlon13 - January 3, 2018 at 8:19 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by chimp3 - January 3, 2018 at 8:22 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by vorlon13 - January 3, 2018 at 8:25 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 3, 2018 at 8:37 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Whateverist - January 3, 2018 at 8:42 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Aoi Magi - January 3, 2018 at 9:17 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 3, 2018 at 9:36 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Aoi Magi - January 3, 2018 at 9:53 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 3, 2018 at 10:30 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Little lunch - January 3, 2018 at 10:00 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Aoi Magi - January 3, 2018 at 10:09 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Tiberius - January 4, 2018 at 12:03 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Aoi Magi - January 4, 2018 at 4:29 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Haipule - January 4, 2018 at 4:41 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 3, 2018 at 9:47 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Shell B - January 3, 2018 at 10:18 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Whateverist - January 3, 2018 at 10:51 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Shell B - January 3, 2018 at 10:45 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by RoadRunner79 - January 3, 2018 at 11:05 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Whateverist - January 3, 2018 at 11:08 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 3, 2018 at 11:26 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by RoadRunner79 - January 3, 2018 at 11:41 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Ravenshire - January 3, 2018 at 3:21 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 3, 2018 at 11:22 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by RoadRunner79 - January 3, 2018 at 11:32 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Fidel_Castronaut - January 3, 2018 at 1:31 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Shell B - January 3, 2018 at 1:01 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Edwardo Piet - January 3, 2018 at 6:54 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 3, 2018 at 11:34 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 3, 2018 at 11:47 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by RoadRunner79 - January 3, 2018 at 11:56 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Whateverist - January 3, 2018 at 1:14 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by RoadRunner79 - January 3, 2018 at 2:23 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by possibletarian - January 3, 2018 at 11:58 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Mermaid - January 3, 2018 at 12:00 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by SaStrike - January 3, 2018 at 5:51 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Mermaid - January 3, 2018 at 6:30 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by SaStrike - January 3, 2018 at 7:31 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by RoadRunner79 - January 3, 2018 at 7:33 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Mermaid - January 3, 2018 at 7:50 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by SaStrike - January 3, 2018 at 8:00 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Jackalope - January 3, 2018 at 7:57 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Catholic_Lady - January 5, 2018 at 12:17 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by CapnAwesome - January 5, 2018 at 12:21 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by polymath257 - January 5, 2018 at 12:28 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Haipule - January 5, 2018 at 5:21 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 3, 2018 at 12:07 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by RoadRunner79 - January 3, 2018 at 12:34 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 3, 2018 at 12:45 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by RoadRunner79 - January 3, 2018 at 12:59 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 3, 2018 at 1:13 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Shell B - January 3, 2018 at 1:14 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 3, 2018 at 1:20 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Shell B - January 3, 2018 at 1:24 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by RoadRunner79 - January 3, 2018 at 2:53 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 3, 2018 at 1:36 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Shell B - January 3, 2018 at 2:32 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 3, 2018 at 3:18 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by RoadRunner79 - January 3, 2018 at 3:41 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 3, 2018 at 3:43 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Industrial Atheist - January 3, 2018 at 5:16 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Shell B - January 3, 2018 at 5:49 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by chimp3 - January 3, 2018 at 9:12 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 3, 2018 at 9:21 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Seraphina - January 3, 2018 at 11:36 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Fireball - January 3, 2018 at 11:58 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Seraphina - January 4, 2018 at 12:03 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by LadyForCamus - January 4, 2018 at 12:10 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by paulpablo - January 4, 2018 at 12:13 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Mermaid - January 4, 2018 at 10:52 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by paulpablo - January 4, 2018 at 12:42 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Thumpalumpacus - January 4, 2018 at 12:55 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by paulpablo - January 4, 2018 at 1:04 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Thumpalumpacus - January 4, 2018 at 1:07 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by paulpablo - January 4, 2018 at 1:11 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Edwardo Piet - January 4, 2018 at 2:41 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by paulpablo - January 4, 2018 at 3:07 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Thumpalumpacus - January 4, 2018 at 4:48 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Haipule - January 4, 2018 at 1:48 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by ErGingerbreadMandude - January 4, 2018 at 7:14 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Aroura - January 4, 2018 at 7:19 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by RoadRunner79 - January 4, 2018 at 7:21 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 10:42 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by RoadRunner79 - January 4, 2018 at 6:48 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 10:55 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by CapnAwesome - January 4, 2018 at 11:10 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Shell B - January 4, 2018 at 1:45 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by CapnAwesome - January 4, 2018 at 2:15 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Shell B - January 4, 2018 at 3:19 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 11:20 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by CapnAwesome - January 4, 2018 at 11:29 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Aroura - January 4, 2018 at 11:50 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by CapnAwesome - January 4, 2018 at 12:58 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Mermaid - January 4, 2018 at 1:22 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by CapnAwesome - January 5, 2018 at 12:07 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 5, 2018 at 4:00 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 11:38 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Thumpalumpacus - January 4, 2018 at 11:40 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 11:45 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Thumpalumpacus - January 4, 2018 at 12:49 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 11:54 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 12:04 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Tiberius - January 4, 2018 at 12:08 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 12:08 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Tiberius - January 4, 2018 at 12:09 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 12:11 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Tiberius - January 4, 2018 at 12:13 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 12:18 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Tiberius - January 4, 2018 at 12:24 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 12:31 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Tiberius - January 4, 2018 at 12:44 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Mermaid - January 4, 2018 at 12:52 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 2:37 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Haipule - January 4, 2018 at 4:23 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by downbeatplumb - January 5, 2018 at 3:09 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Tiberius - January 4, 2018 at 4:54 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Aoi Magi - January 4, 2018 at 5:23 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Shell B - January 4, 2018 at 6:04 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Aoi Magi - January 4, 2018 at 6:07 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Shell B - January 4, 2018 at 7:46 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Tiberius - January 4, 2018 at 7:48 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by SaStrike - January 4, 2018 at 4:55 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Thumpalumpacus - January 4, 2018 at 6:25 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Edwardo Piet - January 5, 2018 at 12:24 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 5:01 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 5:33 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 4, 2018 at 6:37 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 7:01 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Haipule - January 4, 2018 at 7:09 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 7:10 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Haipule - January 4, 2018 at 7:50 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Shell B - January 4, 2018 at 7:49 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 10:21 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by brewer - January 4, 2018 at 10:42 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by polymath257 - January 4, 2018 at 10:55 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by RoadRunner79 - January 4, 2018 at 11:01 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Fireball - January 4, 2018 at 11:38 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Grand Nudger - January 4, 2018 at 10:43 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by brewer - January 5, 2018 at 4:04 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Catholic_Lady - January 5, 2018 at 12:30 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by polymath257 - January 5, 2018 at 12:34 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Thumpalumpacus - January 5, 2018 at 3:29 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Mermaid - January 5, 2018 at 3:30 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Catholic_Lady - January 5, 2018 at 3:32 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Thumpalumpacus - January 5, 2018 at 9:45 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Haipule - January 5, 2018 at 9:56 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by polymath257 - January 5, 2018 at 10:56 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Fireball - January 6, 2018 at 12:40 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Anomalocaris - January 6, 2018 at 2:25 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Thumpalumpacus - January 6, 2018 at 9:45 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Shell B - January 5, 2018 at 12:39 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by CapnAwesome - January 5, 2018 at 9:33 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by ErGingerbreadMandude - January 5, 2018 at 1:13 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Haipule - January 5, 2018 at 9:41 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Haipule - January 8, 2018 at 12:11 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Fireball - January 8, 2018 at 12:26 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Haipule - January 8, 2018 at 1:57 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Thumpalumpacus - January 8, 2018 at 11:16 am
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Haipule - January 8, 2018 at 4:30 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Thumpalumpacus - January 8, 2018 at 9:28 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by Haipule - January 8, 2018 at 10:24 pm
RE: Just because She's Topless - by The Valkyrie - January 8, 2018 at 2:28 am

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