(January 22, 2018 at 9:25 pm)Haipule Wrote:(January 22, 2018 at 8:53 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Unsupported assertion.Simon my good friend. How are you doing?
You'd be the first. Ever.
So have at it. [I say with all expectations that you will only post the same fallacious arguments every other theist has ever provided]
Not sure what the first paragraph means.
I spent the first couple decades of my life sincerely 'seeking God's perfection in the all things'.
What?!
I believe in zero gods, including yours. The existence of Yahweh has not met it's burden of proof. So it goes without saying, that the existence of his 'righteousness' is also unsupported by demonstrable evidence.
And even if you could demonstrate that Yahweh exists, that would not mean I would worship him. If the Bible is an accurate portrayal of his nature and actions, he would not warrant my worship.
What makes you think that those of us that do not believe in gods 'just fuck people over willy-nilly'? This is disproved by the most atheistic countries in the world (Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, and a few more) being among the lowest in the world with regards to crime rates.
What the hell does evolution have to do with the existence of a god? There are quite a few Christians that full accept the fact of evolution, like 80% of Christians in Europe, for example.
If evolution were to be proven false tomorrow, that would not offer one bit of evidence that a god existe.
I'll just give you my favorite example of God's righteousness in action:
Doing fine!
Wait a second...
When did you provide demonstrable evidence that your god exists?
Quote:For the LORD knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the wicked will perish. Psalm 1:6 NASB
Why should I accept the Bible as being authoritative? You haven't proved you god exists.
Quote:Let’s say you’re a publicly traded foreign oil company. You negotiate with Libya for an oil contract, predicated upon your being able to negotiate the release, from prison, of a Libyan mass murdering terrorist, which you do: an act of unimaginable injustice and unrighteousness, for the sake of “shareholder value”. Then, one of your oil rigs blow-up in the Gulf of Mexico, killing several people and making a huge mess. Many people lose their jobs, and some are forced to suspend their operations because of the environmental disaster you created, which you must clean up. And everyone is boycotting your gas stations and they’re renaming your company “Bad People”. Then, Libya is plagued by civil war and the Libyan leader is killed! You know? It could happen! Now, how is your “shareholder value”? And let’s say that many retirement accounts, in that foreign country, are heavily invested in your oil company, unequally yoked together with your complete unrighteous stupidity, and God’s Smack-Daddy! You don’t want to be anywhere near a public corporation when it’s Smack-Daddy time!
How does your hypothetical provide even one shred if evidence that Yahweh exists?
Even if I accept every single premise in your hypothetical, how does that prove a god exists? Nothing in your hypothetical requires a god's input.
Quote:Do you think I can give you some more examples? I gots thousand of years of example
If this is an example of one of your examples, don't bother with anymore.
I'm not even sure why you even believe this is evidence for the existence of a god?
Quote:If unrighteous always gets it's ass kicked, always, always, always eventually then, why is righteousness always, always, always blessed?
You haven't provided any evidence that any of this is true.
I see constant examples throughout history and current events, of evil people getting away with attrocities, and good people getting screwed.
If you are going to make the claim there is some sort of cosmic justice from a deity, you know what you have to do, right? Provide demonstrable and falsifiable evidence that said deity exists, and that he/she/it/they are responsible for instituting justice.
Quote:If you fight against His righteousness you will lose big!
I don't fight against 'His righteousness'. I do not believe any god exists.
Quote:No one ever in the history of time as ever fought against the standard of God and won--ever!
Just ask Satan!
Satan also does not exist.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
