Philosophical zombies

[Edwardo Piet]

A philosophical zombie is something that is physically identical to a human in every way, yet has no conscious experience.

I will correct this definition and say: Physically identical to a human being in every way, except for the part of their brain that produces consciousness, and it's impossible for any other person or scientist to tell the difference. So that, we have a non-conscious person walking around as if they're conscious.

Obviously their mind would be different to the extent that it removes their consciousness. And obviously the mind is the brain and is physical. None of that is worth debating anyway, dualism is retarded. The point is no one would be able to tell the difference. And yes it is possible. It is not realistic for human beings, because if some of us are conscious it makes sense that humans evolved with consciousness and we're all conscious.... but there's no reason to believe intelligent beings need be conscious.

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Okay, then a p-zed at least could convince itself that it was conscious.  It would seem conscious to itself, perhaps it could even convince itself of the cartesian theater..as we do,  right?

Would it really matter that this is not actually whats going on...any more than it doesn't matter that this is not actually whats going on in ourselves?

What do you mean convince itself? Convince other people and behave as if it is convinced it's conscious, you mean?

It has no 'self' to convince. Nor does it consciously think it does. It might have unconscious beliefs that it does, but the light isn't on. From its own non-perspective it is 100% asleep.