Philosophical zombies

[Edwardo Piet]

I won't have to, that's the irony of the convo.   The basis of your misconception is so widespread that it will return on any google search of the comments in question with many hits across the top few pages. 

Merely asserting that I'm falling into a widespread misconception doesn't make it so. What ISN'T fucking misconception is that Dennett takes the same silly approach with consciousness as he does with free will, and it is analgous with the silliness of pantheism. It ISN'T purifying a concept and stripping it of its folk psychological baggage, it's talking about something else together.

Responding explicitly to the notion of consciousness as the little man in the head, or the insistence that the difference between a p zombie and a human being was the existence of the little man in the head in one...Dennet characterized this as an illusion, and then commented that we would all be p zombies, if the p zombie where the one without the little man in the head. 

He doesn't explain consciousness, he explains how consciousness works and then pretends that a hard problem doesn't remain. And he pretends it doesn't remain by not fucking addressing the hard problem.

Eliminativism seeks a more accurate definition (and or description) of consciousness.

You don't describe something by eliminating it.

He doesn't just eliminate consciousness, he redefines it altogether. This isn't like an atheist eliminating the silly notion of God, this is like a silliness pantheist eliminating the standard definition and then deciding that since the universe exists let's just call that "God".

Addressing something else altogether is addressing something else altogether. Yes brain states exist but so does the universe. And calling something other than consciousness consciousness just because it exists is as silly as calling the universe God just because the universe exists. 

Current and traditional ones are, in the view of that position, folklore. 

Oh for fuck's sake. How many more times... tradtionial views on how consciousness works is folklore. But that is NOT the same as traditional views on what consciousness is being folklore. The fact that we experience something is what consciousness is. CONSCIOUSNESS IS FUCKING CONSCIOUS EXPERIENCE. PERIOD. EXPLAINING THAT CONSCIOUS EXPERIENCE DOESN'T WORK HOW WE THINK IT DOES DOESN'T MEAN THAT CONSCIOUS EXPERIENCE IS NOT THE CORRECT FUCKING DEFINITION OF CONSCIOUSNESS. IF YOU ADDRESS SOMETHING OTHER THAN CONSCIOUS EXPERIENCE YOU'RE NOT FUCKING ADDRESSING CONSCIOUSNESS. PERIOD. NUMBNUTS.