Human Reason and Christian Denominations

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You still have it all wrong, the kingdom you speak of is the church and the disciples were to lead out in building Christ's bride. The socialism you speak of is Jesus telling us to help the needy, that isn't socialism by any stretch of the imagination. Jesus was not a rabbi even though some called Him by that title. Jesus never was recorded speaking directly to Judas except for the betrayal. Paul's teachings do not contradict what Jesus taught because Paul's teachings came directly from Jesus. Paul wasn't against marriage he taught that one did not necessarily need to be married if marriage wouldn't suit him, Paul was teaching devotion to Christ first the same thing Jesus taught. I'm a Southern Baptist and all parts of the Bible are just as important as any other. You have preached this same ol' message for a while now and it is as unworthy as it was the first time you brought it up. You must have left the church because this is all you got from the scriptures, this isn't the way to a Christian life, it's you who twist scriptures not the majority of Christians and as for you ever and I mean ever being a Christian in the past that was impossible.

GC

What a bunch of dogmatic horseshit, GC. Paul's teachings did not come directly from Jesus. They came from his own warped mind.

Prove your assumption, one atheist make all the time and never, ever give proof.

The only reason people think that Paul was teaching Christianity is because they compressed his message into the same book as the Gospels. It's obvious to anyone who's read Paul's epistles that he was blissfully unaware of the Sermon on the Mount or any of Christ's parables. But if you can fool people into thinking that the OT is about Jesus, a simple bit of similar illogic can't fail to make the epistles congruous with the Gospels. But anyone who hasn't been sold the "package deal" (like Jenny) can see the difference like night and day.

 Paul was quite aware of Jesus teachings, they are all through his writings, it is the biblically blind who can't see this or that the OT is about the coming of Christ for the sake of mankind.

GC

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You still have it all wrong, the kingdom you speak of is the church and the disciples were to lead out in building Christ's bride. The socialism you speak of is Jesus telling us to help the needy, that isn't socialism by any stretch of the imagination. Jesus was not a rabbi even though some called Him by that title. Jesus never was recorded speaking directly to Judas except for the betrayal. Paul's teachings do not contradict what Jesus taught because Paul's teachings came directly from Jesus. Paul wasn't against marriage he taught that one did not necessarily need to be married if marriage wouldn't suit him, Paul was teaching devotion to Christ first the same thing Jesus taught. I'm a Southern Baptist and all parts of the Bible are just as important as any other. You have preached this same ol' message for a while now and it is as unworthy as it was the first time you brought it up. You must have left the church because this is all you got from the scriptures, this isn't the way to a Christian life, it's you who twist scriptures not the majority of Christians and as for you ever and I mean ever being a Christian in the past that was impossible.  

GC

Among historians (as opposed to believers) that Jesus was a rabbi with an apopolyptic message has been the majority view for some time.  Rabbi, simply means teacher.  And whatever else Jesus might have been he was a Jewish teacher.  And his audience were primarily Jews. 

Historians who have no interest in Jesus as the Son of God. Jesus taught the message of salvation for mankind. Jesus being a teacher and also called rabbi and teaching the Jews doesn't eliminate Him from being the Son of God/ God the Son. Jesus did speak of the end of time, that would usher in eternal life for mankind. Apocalyptic teaching is an end period. Jesus taught of a renewing of the corrupted.

The oldest words in the Gospels are appocoliptic.  The more recent the verbiage the less apopolyptic.  When analysing sources (biblical or otherwise), historians choose older more contemperanious sources.  Theologians tend to do the reverse with the Bible.  Funny that.

Just how do you know who wrote what first, we have no originals and if we did they would not have been dated. All the Gospels were written within a few years of each other so how is it you can say "recent verbiage." Historians trying to be accurate about the Bible, only those who believe and we call them theologians, the Bible is put together with the best manuscripts available and if there is a difference in older and more recent manuscripts a good study Bible will note this difference. Funny how you think historians desire the real truth when throughout time many have sought to rewrite history, the kings of Egypt are famous for blotting out the history of former rulers, take King Tutankhamun for example. The Babylonians distorted history in their favor, so why should I believe that people who have no interest in Jesus would be truthful.

Give to the poor and give away EVERYTHING that you have are rather different don't you think? Because Jesus said everything.

Jesus said that to one person, it was not a teaching of His. When asked by the pharisees about tithing, Jesus said to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and render unto God what is God's, this is a teaching. You do not have any idea why Jesus told the rich young man to give away all He owned do you and it was for a certain purpose that was for him only. You think you can twist the words of scripture around and fool me you are wrong, you might fool those who wish to be fooled and you will be held accountable for this action at the judgement.  

And no, this doesn't sound like establishing a church:

Truly I say to you, in the renewed world, when the Son of Man is sitting on his throne of glory, you disciples also will be seated on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

See the bold by me, that should have been a great big hint to you ... but you are biblically blind and can't even see the simplest of understanding of the scriptures. This is referring to the time of judgement, an event that happens after the tribulation. You have no knowledge of what the scriptures say/teach and you are most likely repeating things you have read by others who want to destroy Christianity and by assuming they know what they are saying and repeating it makes you look foolish.

Mathew 19:28 And yes Judas was one of the twelve.

 I did not say Judas wasn't one of the twelve, Judas wasn't a believer in Jesus as God. 

 GC