RE: Human Reason and Christian Denominations
April 13, 2018 at 10:01 am
(This post was last modified: April 13, 2018 at 10:14 am by Drich.)
(April 11, 2018 at 9:56 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Ah, the sweet heresy of radical grace.
You think it doesn't matter what you do, only who you know..but I'm pretty sure jesus made it clear that your actions did matter....and that it was about who -he- knew...not you.
They do not matter in so far as a matter of salvation. Meaning there isn't a sin you can commit in this life that can not be forgiven. The do matter as to define who you are when you get to heaven.
Most of you can not discern what it means to be saved and the degree in which your salvation will afford you.
For instance in the parable for the one who was given much He doubled what he has and what the guy who buried his gifts was taken from him and given to the guy with the most.
Right in the parable "salvation" was already a past even, and now Jesus is talking about how your action matter. we know salvation is a past even as each Servant was indeed a servant of the master, and in turn was given a year's wage to invest on the master's behalf. The aster does not throw away his money/gifts to those in whom he has no stake.
So again, what we do with the gift's and understanding we have will be judged not on a iron bar of strict law, (As again we do not have a book of Christian law as the Jews did.) but on a sliding scale of what we have been given over to understand.
This opens the gates of heaven to anyone of any religion potentially.
So let's look at your verse scrap
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Jesus is showing that for some even great christians/ people in whom we think are strong in the faith, are not/have not even been saved because they life outside the will of God. What is the will of God? It is to follow the whole law and not break a command which was expanded to include sinful thought. -OR Seek atonement from Christ.
Ask yourself what is it to attone?
to rebuke or turn meaning to hate the sin you once defended
Does it mean you never commit sin?
no if we could live without sinning Jesus would not need come to save us.
Does it mean you never sin again?
Again if we could do this at any point then Jesus would not need be here.
Does it mean you learn to hate sin and reject it even if you are a slave to it?
Yes, to atone means to repent and to repent means to have a 180 view of the acts that you once loved and or defended.
Jesus is speaking to the 'christian' who still loves their sin, not to the slave of sin who hates it but is still a slave to it.