(June 27, 2018 at 9:49 am)Aegon Wrote:(June 26, 2018 at 10:43 pm)A Theist Wrote: If Dems like Maxine Waters keep running their big mouths and if more leftists continue to become unhinged with their harrassing of Trump cabinet members we might see the so called blue wave implode on itself. Long time Democrat Representative, Joe Crowley, just lost to a far left newcomer tonight in New York primaries. Seems like there's a revolt happening within the democrat party.
Disposing of the neoliberal hacks one by one. No room for moderate Dems with heavy corporate ties. Time to elect some actual liberals.
(June 27, 2018 at 8:21 am)Libertarian God Wrote: Personally I think we need a Libertarian wave. Not a red or blue wave. But that's just me.
I don't know why. The "fiscally conservative" party is already in power cutting every necessary social program until it bleeds out. You don't need any libertarian blood suckers to do it.
A "Libertarian" to me is simply someone who is ok with LGBT and minorities but still buys the same failed "fuck you I got mine" economics of the GOP.
Great if you support minorities, but giving billionaires tax breaks they don't need isn't going to help out the middle class or working poor regardless of being in the majority or minority.
The debt in America is based on a bubble economy. The GOP theory is that if you deregulate and don't tax the rich they will pay workers more and add more jobs. The truth is they never do. Demand is the only thing that will force a business to hire. And even GOP business owners will tell you that. But, they use the claim "we are the job creators" when they damned well know demand is. And the bulk of demand are not rich people, but working people, that is where the bulk of our population is.
The idea that all taxes are robbery is absurd. Giving tax breaks to billionaires who don't need them is the real robbery, because that adds to the long term debt and if the rich are not paying it over decades, the rest of us have to compensate for what they don't pay. That simply creates a bubble economy, and the jobs they do generate still do not meet the cost of living and only create a short term sense of stability.
You can look up economic history in America, and the same ideology that lead to the Great Depression is the same mindset that started Reagan's failed trickle down causing a bubble every decade ending in Bush's great recession.
Investment is what happened after WW2 and what ended up building a middle class, creating unions and more worker stability. If we are to believe GOP/Libertarian economic theory, the way they vilify liberal ideas, that would mean America was a communist state between WW2 and 1980, but we all know that is simply flat out bullshit.
There is a reason we have anti monopoly laws, which we have ignored and or scrapped since Reagan, and what we see in workers having to work more for less is a direct result of allowing billionaires too much political power currently. Have there been decent rich who do try to do the right thing? YES ABSOLUTELY, but currently not enough.
It is not anti private sector to insure wealth does not get abusive. We have had that in our history. One of the worst examples were the coal mine Barron's monopolies of the early 1900s. The scam was that a rich baron would buy up all the property, including housing and grocery stores, pay the workers in company script, but by the time their bills were due, they were in debt. We are seeing the same predatory practices today, with pay not keeping up with the cost of living, but easy credit, payday loans, title loans, "reverse mortgage".
We also live in an age where Wells Fargo gets away with illegal acts and only get a slap on the wrist. We live in an age where Genex and coal ash gets dumped in our water supply and again, only a slap on the wrist.
There is not enough accountability at the top. None of what I just typed is advocating for a nanny state or the end of the private sector. I think Libertarians are certainly far more willing to defend minorities socially, but none of that does any good if they still get affected more negatively on average. But they are not any better on wallet issues than the GOP.