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My proofs for Islam
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RE: My proofs for Islam
You traits are psychological, your physical body is just an avatar while the program and spoken idea of who you are is not your body. If something sees our psychological traits exactly as they are, they must be perfect absolute judges of those traits. And if nothing sees it, and nothing can see it but God, then we are an illusion of falsehood pretending to have objective value and measured traits and real spiritual form (I am using spiritual loosely here, not assuming naturalism is false by it but using it the realms of naturalism as well).

Anyways, we've discussed this argument endlessly. It's been clarified and can be summarized in two premises:

If God doesn't exist or see us exactly as we are, we are an illusion.
We aren't an illusion.



Therefore God exists and sees us exactly as we are.


Both those premises leading the conclusion have been argued for thoroughly.
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My proofs for Islam - by MysticKnight - November 13, 2018 at 6:02 pm
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