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My proofs for Islam
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RE: My proofs for Islam
(November 17, 2018 at 5:48 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(November 17, 2018 at 5:25 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: If it was not a perfect judge judging us, it would be an imperfect judge.

Sure, so possibilities include: perfect judge, imperfect judge, or no judge at all.  How did you rule out the latter two?

Quote:Now imperfect judge doesn't define our psychological traits or spiritual traits, and hence we are undefined through that.

This sentence seems to be a non-sequitur. What does someone judging us have to do with the nature of human psychological traits?

Quote:It leaves our reality to be illusionary or falsely measured.

What does?

Quote: If we are undefined through that, there is no really estimating who we are, because we are undefined. It's just chasing something not there.

Sure. See my first sentence in this reply. “No judge” is one of three possibilities being discussed here.  I ask again, how have you ruled it out?

Quote:On the other hand, if a perfect judge defines us, we can estimate who we are, because we know we exist somewhere and we can get closer to that absolute vision by guidance, and hence we can better know and appreciate ourselves if we follow god's guidance

Yes, possibility number two.  Do you have evidence that would lead you to the conclusion that such a judge exists?

Quote:Again, no perfect judge would leave our psychological reality of who we are undefined and unknown and non-existent.

I agree, it probably wouldn’t.  Why do you think such a hypothetical advances your argument?

Quote:It would not be fair to say if we didn't have an exact reality, that we can actually estimate ourselves.  Rather, we can't and would be chasing an illusion by that.

And for a third time, how have you ruled this possible scenario out?  That you don’t like the idea of is neither a reason, nor evidence.

MK, the heart of your argument seems to be, “the thought of no objective meaning horrifies me.”  Bluntly, that’s not an argument.



It's because psychological traits even in naturalism perspective aren't physical, at most, they are related to physical (brain) but it's a perception that is not physical, an idea that has to be psychologically perceived to exist. Either our brain or use is that judge in which it has been shown to be imperfect or it's God.
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My proofs for Islam - by MysticKnight - November 13, 2018 at 6:02 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by Minimalist - November 13, 2018 at 6:12 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by ignoramus - November 13, 2018 at 6:15 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by MysticKnight - November 16, 2018 at 11:58 am
RE: My proofs for Islam - by Angrboda - November 16, 2018 at 12:03 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2018 at 12:06 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by purplepurpose - November 16, 2018 at 12:15 pm
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RE: My proofs for Islam - by Angrboda - November 16, 2018 at 12:51 pm
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RE: My proofs for Islam - by Minimalist - November 16, 2018 at 1:04 pm
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RE: My proofs for Islam - by Minimalist - November 16, 2018 at 2:05 pm
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RE: My proofs for Islam - by MysticKnight - November 17, 2018 at 12:21 pm
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RE: My proofs for Islam - by MysticKnight - November 17, 2018 at 5:25 pm
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