My proofs for Islam

[Mystic]

The conclusion that God exists and sees us as we are, follows the two premises. And the two premises have been argued for.  Neither arguments for those two premises assumed anything of naturalism or soul or supernatural. It did with no assumptions, and proved God with it.

LOL, okay buddy.  You’re the one who has to live with the fact that your argument is unsound.  I’m not going to lose any sleep over your tenuous grasp on logic.

Relax. You perhaps haven't understood the argument till today. I will go through it again.


Whether it's the brain or a soul that generates the concept of self, it's an imperfect judge to who we are as in psychological formation of traits/virtues/flaws.  It is not an accurate judge to our actions in the past, neither of ourselves nor others. At most we can estimate.

Something I argued in other threads, but not brought here, is we even tend to get severely misguided with respect to who we truly are. Either in underestimating or overestimating.  

But if there is no accurate real us and we truly believed that, we would cease to guess who we are.

And the only real accurate us, say, disembodied bodies were the case, even then, those souls cannot define who they because they are not absolute.  Any imperfection in judgment, and there is possibly infinite levels of judgement and wisdom out of sheer possibility, cannot define us. It has to be perfect and absolute in judgment to do so.

This is sufficient to remind of God. All the other premises, and argument is to ease that reminder. That is to make it easy to see we require perception, I argue we are more of a living idea that is generated. 

This would be true if brain or soul is what generates the perception, the perception can't define us accurately.

Only an absolute perfect judge can, the absolute one is what defines us in his vision, no one truly knows anyone but Him in reality. The witnessing guides and what we testify against ourselves on the day of judgment, will be closer and in alignment to his judgment, but it's still not the absolute perception of who we are.

In fact, all those premises, are not even needed. All that is required is for you to remember the one who truly sees you, because in that, you know you exist, and you know the accurate you is with His perception and awareness and no where else.

Anyways, we can move on to other reminders for God in Quran or discuss this more. Up to you.

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your traits, your psychological traits and mental states in actions, they are not physical. They may have backing physically like in the brain, it might generate, but the program generated even purely naturalism wise is different then the material world.

The fact that you are now trying to back peddle on a claim about disembodied minds (read: souls) that is necessary to your argument is simply dishonest on its face.  I suppose you’re free free to lie for any god you want.

This was to say, even say souls and supernatural doesn't exist, the program (perception and idea, and psychological states and traits) is different then the brain, even if it's purely generated through physical means.