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My proofs for Islam
RE: My proofs for Islam
(November 18, 2018 at 12:17 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(November 18, 2018 at 12:13 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: False.  People create their own meaning all the time.

They create meaning but with belief that there is an objective value to who they are.  Take away that belief, and nothing is left.

It may or may not be properly basic, belief that we have an objective value and reality, I am not sure. I will have to reflect if it can be reduced.

It's like asking "Why love?" - well love itself knows the answer, and nothing else but love can justify it.

I will reflect and get back to you if it can be reduced further or all we can do is appeal to facts we know we don't believe and hence show we believe we have objective value by contradiction or reductio absurdum.

I am not going any further in the discussion with you until you address my content below.  

Quote:For the umpteenth time,I agree with you. Now, your job is demonstrate how you have logically ruled this possibility [that there is no objective, true self] out.  “I don’t like the thought of it” is not ruling it out using reason and evidence.  “I just know we have a true self” is not using reason and evidence to support that assertion’s truth.

You haven’t earned the the right to go a step further in your argument until you address these two issues.  Stop trying to wiggle out of defending your assertions.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
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My proofs for Islam - by MysticKnight - November 13, 2018 at 6:02 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by Minimalist - November 13, 2018 at 6:12 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by ignoramus - November 13, 2018 at 6:15 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by MysticKnight - November 16, 2018 at 11:58 am
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RE: My proofs for Islam - by purplepurpose - November 16, 2018 at 12:15 pm
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RE: My proofs for Islam - by MysticKnight - November 16, 2018 at 12:28 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by Angrboda - November 16, 2018 at 12:51 pm
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RE: My proofs for Islam - by The Grand Nudger - November 16, 2018 at 12:45 pm
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RE: My proofs for Islam - by MysticKnight - November 16, 2018 at 12:57 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by purplepurpose - November 16, 2018 at 12:57 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by Minimalist - November 16, 2018 at 1:04 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by MysticKnight - November 16, 2018 at 1:07 pm
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RE: My proofs for Islam - by Angrboda - November 16, 2018 at 1:47 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by Minimalist - November 16, 2018 at 2:05 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by Foxaèr - November 16, 2018 at 1:45 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by MysticKnight - November 17, 2018 at 12:21 pm
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RE: My proofs for Islam - by MysticKnight - November 17, 2018 at 2:51 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by LadyForCamus - November 17, 2018 at 3:39 pm
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RE: My proofs for Islam - by LadyForCamus - November 18, 2018 at 12:13 pm
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RE: My proofs for Islam - by LadyForCamus - November 18, 2018 at 2:29 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by MysticKnight - November 18, 2018 at 2:33 pm
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RE: My proofs for Islam - by MysticKnight - November 18, 2018 at 3:11 pm
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RE: My proofs for Islam - by MysticKnight - November 18, 2018 at 4:27 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by Minimalist - November 18, 2018 at 5:23 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by LadyForCamus - November 18, 2018 at 9:14 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by Minimalist - November 18, 2018 at 9:54 pm

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