First order logic, set theory and God

[I_am_not_mafia]

There is nothing for me to demonstrate at this point - most of your arguments, did however, demonstrate a thinly veiled attempt to shift the paradigm to make it appear as if Hatcher's proof was trying to establish the complexity of reality, when the contention was that of substantiating the origin of reality. God damn it, learn to read. The O-R-I-G-I-N. Not the complexity and the physical laws that governs reality. 

It's utterly laughable that you have gone at great length trying to establish that the laws of thermodynamics was more fitting at explaining reality than logic, when all of this was totally irrelevant. You've wasted your time arguing on notions that were completely extraneous to Hatcher's proof, and not worth considering in discussing.

So let's summarise here.

You are making an argument about how absolutely everything in the universe came to exist (because of your god) by using a rule that inadequately describes how things happen within this universe (causation) to explain how the universe was created by something external to it.

By doing this you are saying that the laws that govern this universe also exist in the larger external universe that this universe exists in (but without explaining how that external universe was created)


I point out how your argument does not adequately describe how things happen within this universe (causation abstracts over thermodynamics and continuous processes) and your response is you're only talking about the origin and not 'the complexity and the physical laws that governs reality'.


So is causation NOT a physical law that governs reality and explains complexity?

Why are you using causation but not thermodynamics?

Or are you arguing that how this universe functions says nothing about how it was created? In which case why refer to causation at all and just argue that the universe was created by magic?