(December 10, 2018 at 2:03 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:(December 10, 2018 at 12:18 pm)Cepheus Ace Wrote: so you demand proof fo quantum fluctuations then claiming that it must have a cause..... while holding the position that a god without a cause is running amok creating universes willy nilly even though you have zero evidence for it... double standards much?
Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu guoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.
As far as your comment, I never made such a claim. Nice try though. If you believe a large scale anomaly occurred, then you need to demonstrate it. Not just suggest that light revealed something so that it must have been how a universe filled with large amounts of mass and energy suddenly popped out of nowhere. From it came lions, tigers, and bears...Oh my! But even if I did suggest something else and you were able to refute it, it still doesn't validate any claims you've fabricated. You would need to demonstrate those independently.
Your hocus pocus fairy tales aren't any better than the next fairy tale.
You say that this is a large scale anomaly but compared to what? this may be an incredibly tiny anomaly that seems large to us. What is your basis for comparison of scale?
Can the universe suddenly pop into existence out of nowhere? Sure why not, makes more sense than "magic man dun it".
I tend to think that there is some sort of pre-existing state that the universe emerged from. But I have little evidence for that and I only believe what can actually be proved.
You should try it.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
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