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Mueller report. OP/ED
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RE: Mueller report. OP/ED
IDK that people are actually trying to get paid less so they qualify, but it certainly does delay or hide the pain that they would otherwise feel and this..ostensibly, would be a reason for action and foundation of support for stronger action not otherwise taken.   

I've told the story so many times but, a decade or so back (right before I first joined the boards - this was my low cost entertainment and stress relief, lol) I found myself suddenly poor with kids..and we planned our finances around our tax return because we just didn't have any other choice.  The labor market that I used to be in had cratered and offshored, and my cv wasn't going to get me anywhere because there just wasn't anywhere to go.  The wife wasn't doing any better, because she sold employment.....and at this point could only find a job as a receptionist for a bmw lot.  

So here you had two parents...both educated, one ex mil with experience in DOD contracting and manufacturing management..the other a kent state grad that had been a corporate headhunter for the likes of outf such as enron for more than a decade.  Solid producers.  Minimum wage jobs...that's what we were looking at.  It didn't pay the bills.  We were on welfare.  It was painful....and not exactly easy on our relationship.   There was a very real possibility that she could've eneded up a single mom and I;d be anothr deadbeat with two, not one...but two child support commitments that I couldn't pay.  An even bigger drag on welfare.

With all of those advantages above we were still struggling like some common hoodrats that the right just loves to vilify.  We got lucky.   Changed our lives, changed our expectations, changed everything.   That's the reason I just can't bring myself to say alot of the things I used to believe about free markets and labor and wages..and why I can't pay someone else so little that they find themselves in the situation that we were in.  Nowadays I don't think to myself..."if they won't take the job for the pay someone else will and the government will cover the rest" more like "if I can't pay well my business idea is shit, the government isn't really isn't covering things".

The wife and I both woke up to that when we found ourselves on the other end of the shit we used to facilitate.
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Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 25, 2019 at 7:24 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Little lunch - March 25, 2019 at 8:23 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 25, 2019 at 8:37 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Equinox25 - March 25, 2019 at 8:55 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 25, 2019 at 9:01 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2019 at 9:00 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2019 at 9:05 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Equinox25 - March 25, 2019 at 9:07 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 25, 2019 at 9:19 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Equinox25 - March 25, 2019 at 9:37 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 25, 2019 at 9:50 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2019 at 9:25 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - March 25, 2019 at 10:33 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 25, 2019 at 10:58 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - March 26, 2019 at 10:24 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 26, 2019 at 10:40 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - March 26, 2019 at 1:57 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Yonadav - March 26, 2019 at 2:16 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - March 26, 2019 at 3:23 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 26, 2019 at 3:33 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - March 26, 2019 at 3:55 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 26, 2019 at 4:00 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - March 27, 2019 at 9:18 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2019 at 10:51 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2019 at 11:04 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 25, 2019 at 11:12 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Equinox25 - March 25, 2019 at 11:41 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 25, 2019 at 11:53 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Equinox25 - March 25, 2019 at 12:01 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 25, 2019 at 12:25 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 25, 2019 at 2:14 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Lek - March 25, 2019 at 4:22 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Yonadav - March 25, 2019 at 5:01 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Fake Messiah - March 26, 2019 at 1:43 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 26, 2019 at 10:56 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2019 at 5:08 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by EgoDeath - March 25, 2019 at 10:18 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2019 at 11:00 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by EgoDeath - March 26, 2019 at 5:40 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 26, 2019 at 5:43 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by EgoDeath - March 27, 2019 at 10:47 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Belacqua - March 26, 2019 at 4:00 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by bennyboy - March 26, 2019 at 6:58 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Mister Agenda - March 26, 2019 at 8:57 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 26, 2019 at 9:03 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 9:56 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 10:35 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - March 26, 2019 at 2:19 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by downbeatplumb - March 26, 2019 at 2:34 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - March 26, 2019 at 3:40 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 26, 2019 at 3:53 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 26, 2019 at 2:57 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 10:42 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Rev. Rye - March 26, 2019 at 11:16 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 26, 2019 at 11:18 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 2:11 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 2:23 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Yonadav - March 26, 2019 at 3:14 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 2:37 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - March 26, 2019 at 3:43 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 26, 2019 at 3:27 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 3:35 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 3:41 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 4:18 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 26, 2019 at 4:22 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 4:25 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 5:43 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 6:04 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 26, 2019 at 6:08 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 6:14 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 26, 2019 at 6:38 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Draconic Aiur - March 26, 2019 at 8:40 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - March 26, 2019 at 8:46 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - March 27, 2019 at 9:22 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Draconic Aiur - March 29, 2019 at 3:59 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by downbeatplumb - March 30, 2019 at 6:40 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2019 at 9:21 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - March 27, 2019 at 9:34 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2019 at 9:26 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2019 at 9:43 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 27, 2019 at 5:06 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2019 at 5:29 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by fredd bear - March 30, 2019 at 12:27 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - April 2, 2019 at 1:14 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by downbeatplumb - April 2, 2019 at 1:26 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - April 2, 2019 at 1:49 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - April 2, 2019 at 1:51 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - April 3, 2019 at 9:29 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Foxaèr - April 3, 2019 at 9:33 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - April 3, 2019 at 12:20 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Homeless Nutter - April 3, 2019 at 12:49 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - April 3, 2019 at 3:01 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - April 4, 2019 at 9:10 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - April 4, 2019 at 10:23 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - April 4, 2019 at 10:29 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - April 3, 2019 at 9:55 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by downbeatplumb - April 3, 2019 at 1:42 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - April 3, 2019 at 4:13 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Gawdzilla Sama - April 2, 2019 at 1:16 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2019 at 1:20 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 2, 2019 at 1:27 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Yonadav - April 2, 2019 at 1:43 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - April 2, 2019 at 1:48 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Peebo-Thuhlu - April 2, 2019 at 1:59 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - April 2, 2019 at 2:07 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2019 at 10:04 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2019 at 12:58 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2019 at 3:58 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - April 3, 2019 at 4:35 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2019 at 4:33 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2019 at 4:37 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Amarok - April 3, 2019 at 6:58 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - April 3, 2019 at 7:24 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2019 at 10:30 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by downbeatplumb - April 4, 2019 at 1:24 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - April 4, 2019 at 1:41 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Brian37 - April 4, 2019 at 1:48 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Foxaèr - May 1, 2019 at 10:23 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Cepheus Ace - May 1, 2019 at 11:55 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by downbeatplumb - May 2, 2019 at 5:52 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by WinterHold - May 2, 2019 at 6:34 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by downbeatplumb - May 3, 2019 at 3:03 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by The Grand Nudger - May 3, 2019 at 3:06 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by downbeatplumb - May 3, 2019 at 3:37 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by WinterHold - May 3, 2019 at 7:36 am
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - May 9, 2019 at 1:59 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by madog - May 9, 2019 at 2:16 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Drich - May 9, 2019 at 2:24 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by madog - May 9, 2019 at 2:48 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 9, 2019 at 3:19 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by Amarok - May 9, 2019 at 4:35 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 9, 2019 at 5:16 pm
RE: Mueller report. OP/ED - by brewer - May 9, 2019 at 8:21 pm

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