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Ex pastor explains how Christianity is fake
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RE: Ex pastor explains how Christianity is fake
(May 13, 2019 at 6:33 am)Alan V Wrote:


If you read in context, what makes you differentiate the 2 sentences as being about different things? Als, it doesn't say don't judge. It says don't judge or watch out for what's coming. Continue reading... "‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."
It's a warning that the tongue is a 2 edged sword and judging others heaps judgement back onto yourself. It is a warning on setting your house straight and being careful with your words before helping someone else. That's what it can be, helping others. There is a difference between discernment and judgement. The latter holds a denotation of condemnation that lacks in the former. You can't say the first sentence has a scope of self, other and community without reading scope into it and ignoring other verses.

Couple that with a few other verses like
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People can certainly be good or bad over time, and most certainly can change. I also agree that
Every judgment is not jumping to a conclusion. Every judgement contains a valuation and worth premise. Every discernment just contains a valuation. Judges in courts can be wrong, and that's the trap we don't want to fall into by judging others, especially in the scope of an eternal soul. Hope that is a little clearer.

(May 13, 2019 at 8:58 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: One more time, tackattack: I'm fine with calling people who are faking it until they make it fake Christians. I think that's a course of action that will discourage new converts and I think that, in the grand scheme of things, Christianity leans towards toxicity, so we're all better off if we mock the ones who struggle. You get to restrict Christianity to True Christians Only ™ and I think that would be great. I'm not arguing with you about how beliefs are formed, I agree. But did you know that sincerely trying to convince yourself that something is true often leads to belief that it's true? It would be grand to nip that sort of thinking in the bud, and mockery is an effective tool for that. Win!
Perhaps the T Swift call out was a bit distasteful. I don't think I would have done that to the person's face so I'll consider that mockery and bad on me. I intended it as the same kind of vitriolic humor prevalent here. Perhaps it's a bad influence? Empathy and understanding towards those struggling would be more appropriate.

Torture, systematic brainwashing, and chemically induced altered states of mind are proven ways to convince any of us to believe things we previously knew were untrue. The problem with self-deception is the sincerity. We can talk positive affirmations, positive expectancy, static paradox and the differences between rationalization and self-deception if you like. I like Triver's take on irrationality and emotionalism being a key to potential self deception in the subconscious. Nothing of what I was talking about was a plan for a course of action.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

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RE: Ex pastor explains how Christianity is fake - by tackattack - May 13, 2019 at 9:39 am

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