RE: The Best Logique Evidence of God Existence
July 16, 2019 at 12:34 am
(This post was last modified: July 16, 2019 at 2:11 am by Belacqua.)
(July 15, 2019 at 11:50 pm)polymath257 Wrote: Formal cause is really the shape. Material cause is the composition. Effective cause is the cause. And ultimate cause only makes sense if there is an active intelligence.
I'm afraid I don't agree with any of this.
Formal cause is not only the shape, but the construction, the interaction of the parts, the operation, etc. A dead body has the shape of a person but not the formal cause. [edited to add: Probably people assume that Formal Cause is only shape because the common example teachers use is a statue. And for statues, it's true that Formal Cause is only shape because statues aren't active at all. But for more complicated things, things that operate, shape isn't sufficient.]
The material cause is the stuff it's made from. The word composition, to me, means how it's organized, which in fact is part of the formal cause.
Effective cause is, I think, a term that you invented...? Usually it's efficient or moving cause.
And ultimate, or final cause certainly doesn't require an active intelligence. That is a misunderstanding.
Suppose you were teaching a beginning anatomy class, and you spent an hour talking about the heart. The formal cause of the heart includes the heart's construction and movement. The material cause is the special kind of muscle that the heart is made from. The efficient cause is the parents making a baby, which grows a heart. All of this is necessary to understand if you want to understand a heart.
But it leaves out an important fact about the heart: what it is for. It would be silly to talk about a heart and not mention that it pumps the blood around. But that's the Final Cause. And hearts have this Final Cause entirely because they evolved that way. There was no intelligent design or active intelligence involved. But to deny that hearts have a purpose -- a Final Cause -- would be silly, don't you think?
(July 15, 2019 at 11:50 pm)polymath257 Wrote: So 'existence' is the 'cause' of existence.
That's certainly not what I said.