God, Energy and Matter

[Fake Messiah]

Yet you are constantly claiming not to be delusional yourself. Why should anyone believe your claim(s)?

Thats why this thread (and your posts) is so pointless. Noone cares how firmly you think you *know* a god exists. What you have is not knowledge, but strong belief. Knowledge is what you can demonstrate to others. Either you can demonstrate it to anyone else, or anyone else has to factor in that you are possible delusional (or even plain dishonest, like so many con men). Thats how rational thinking works. If i would believe anyone who claims to know....i would start to believe in contratictory claims.

You can keep asserting that you *know* a god exists until you are blue in the face, its still not knowledge, its belief. Andy you cant give me a single reason why i should accept your belief.

So its dismissed.

But what you "don't get" is that Lek claims how he has some spiritual knowledge which you can't have because as an atheist you must have evidence.

It's what you hear all the time: that you must believe first in order to "see" the evidence, which is of course a total delusion. I mean imagine if you had a neighbor who spent his every weekend, and all free time, digging in the garden because he believed there's a diamond the size of a refrigerator buried underneath. So one day you try to dissuade him, but he shows you shiny translucent pebbles he just dug out as "evidence" of getting close to the diamond. Now, you look at those pebbles and say "this is probably just some broken glass", but to him it doesn't matter because he is so stoked in his belief about the buried diamond that it's your lack of faith that is a real problem there.

And indeed, when you have a belief in something, you see these kind of "evidence" all the time. That is what happens when you decide first to firmly believe in something and then decide to look for the evidence.