(January 31, 2020 at 4:53 pm)tackattack Wrote: @Gae Bolga I am trying to pick your lane so we're driving to the same location. I thought you were moving the definition of supernatural. I do contend that a soul is a better definition for those things then idk. I consider a soul super-natural, in the most relevant sense some force beyond scientific understanding. That doesn't mean that it will always be so. Perhaps paranormal essence would be a better definition. Just as we once attributed disease to demons quantum entanglement and computing might hold many answers for what we see today. I'm open to that.
As for relevant additions of information, I'm not certain how to qualitatively measure/detect a soul. I feel I have a soul that is distinct from my mind and body. I infer that having a soul that is separate from the mind and body is a better explanation for out of body experiences, NDE and ghost apparitions is a better explanation than it's all fake. I infer an objective moral author separate from personal/societal morality is a better explanation than morality isn't objective. I infer that a soul explains why individual qualia while referencing, the same object, are experientially different is as good a definition as subjective perspective. The sum of these criteria and the others, as a whole, are better explained, IMO by the existence of a soul. I am attempting to honestly participate in the conversation though, I'm sorry if it's not being perceived as such.
When do you feel you have a soul, Tack? Are you writing religious poetry or describing a sensory experience of a soul?
We've already agreed that soul is an explanation for ghosts. I'm wondering about the other things. The credible things..that you're trying to use to launder ghosts.
I'm glad that you're a moral realist, but ghosts have jack shit to do with moral realism....and this is a thinly veiled argument from bad consequences on it's face. So what if a god, and lets cut the shit with "objective moral authors"..lol, would be better? The question at hand isn't whether one thing is better than another, but whether that thing is real in the first place. There are a great many fantasies that are notable improvements to fact.
Similarly, a subjective perspective is a brute fact of experience that we seek to explain, and can explain, not an explanation itself. If your "soul" is competing with brute facts for space in reality, it's DOA.
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