Saturated Fat Controversy

[FlatAssembler]

See the above study.

OK, the abstract of that study basically says that giving up meat reduces the risk of heart disease by around 30%, except for fish, it makes no difference if you eat fish or not regarding the heart disease. I don't see that as contradicting something Greger is saying.

Meat and fish contain 3 and 4 times as much B12 as any vegetable respectively.

Where are you getting that from? If a vegetable contains B12, there is a big chance it also contains dangerous bacteria.

While antibiotics are a problem, that is for other reasons, not B12.

Antibiotics in meat industry are a problem both because of antibiotic resistance, and because they kill the bacteria that produce B12.

I eat a fair amount of fresh seafood. It isn't particularly expensive.

OK, now, a can of fish, which contains, if you are being generous, 50 micrograms of B12, costs, if you are being generous, 9 kunas. A packing of B12 supplements, of 50 pills of 100 micrograms, costs 60 kunas. So, trying to get B12 from fish is an order of a magnitude more expensive than getting it from pills.

And utterly irrelevant to B12 content.

Again, if you are going to deny a well-known fact that meat from animals that have been treated with antibiotics contains significantly less B12, the burden of proof is on you.

FFS.

Where do you think first humans got B12 from? From plants infected with bacteria, of course. First humans couldn't have hunted before the invention of the tools.

Veganism only works with artificial supplements.

Do you have any doubts first humans ate a mainly vegan diet?

Vegans reject GMO crops while being unaware that EVERYTHING they eat actually is a GMO.

This is as stupid as saying that atheists are communists or that atheists are against nuclear power. No, veganism in no way implies being anti-GMO.

That still leaves you with the millions that are currently alive.

This is as stupid as saying that we shouldn't stop smoking because workers at tobacco farms in Cuba might starve because of that.