RE: The face veil pre-dates Islam
December 10, 2019 at 3:34 am
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2019 at 4:13 am by WinterHold.)
(December 9, 2019 at 10:03 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: In an alternate reality where Islam never got a foothold, the Middle East most likely comes under Orthodox Christianity, and the women still wind up covering their heads, and possibly even wear veils due to retention of tribal customs of the Middle East already in place. If one went strictly by the Koran, the only requirement for women's dress is that it be modest. Modesty includes not drawing undue attention to oneself and arguably would be better met by adopting the prevailing dress of the region rather than sticking with traditional clothing that causes the woman to stand out; but that last part is just my humble opinion.
The Quran only mentions the modest dress Muslim women should dress, as this only verse it stating:
Quote:Sura 24, The Quran:
Sahih International
(31) And tell the believing women to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment except that which [necessarily] appears thereof and to wrap [a portion of] their headcovers over their chests and not expose their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, their brothers' sons, their sisters' sons, their women, that which their right hands possess, or those male attendants having no physical desire, or children who are not yet aware of the private aspects of women. And let them not stamp their feet to make known what they conceal of their adornment. And turn to Allah in repentance, all of you, O believers, that you might succeed.
Ironically, you will see the opposite happening, with the Muslim institution focusing on "covering the head" and not focusing on exposing the breasts via very tight clothes like the verse actually says, or not exciting fetishes like the obvious warning from making a sound with their feet..
But there is no other verse speaking about this, so why are Muslims so obsessed about women and how they dress? is it insecurity like Boru said?
I think if Christianity ruled in the M.E; things would be the same, but with Jesus instead of Mohammed
(December 9, 2019 at 6:39 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: He apologized? That doesn't sound like Boris...
Boru
The asshole withdrew everything he said about Muslim women:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/no...tive-party
Quote:Boris Johnson has apologised for Islamophobia within the Conservative party as a Tory candidate accused the prime minister of fanning the flames of anti-Muslim prejudice.
Which is an obvious indication that it's a cheap way to flame things up and get the votes he so needs.
(December 9, 2019 at 6:53 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Yes, the Quran doesn't mention stoning. But the Haditha do, and a lot of Muslim societies practice it. Saying that stoning is not an Islamic practice because it isn't mentioned in the Quran is like saying that praying with folded hands isn't Christian because it doesn't happen in the Bible.
Boru
I reject the Hadith for this exact reason: so the bold "but" would be obsolete. It is obsolete against the Quran alone without other books that twist its cause and message.
With the Quran alone, you can say good bye to many contradictions in both the Sunni and the Shiite faiths, you can see "a clear" version of Islam and what it is truly is.
(December 10, 2019 at 2:54 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: A lot of things pre date Islam. It's just that creators of Islam took the worst and stupidest things from junkyard of human ideas and made a religion out of it, some of which include: FGM, face veils, flat Earth, God, angels, genies, fatwas, jihad, killing people for apostasy, beating women, antisemitism, etc.
Okay..let's break down your comment:
Quote:It's just that creators of Islam took the worst and stupidest things from junkyard of human ideas and made a religion out of it
Like it's a conspiracy theory; right?
I mean based on this section of your comment; Mohammed -peace be upon him- was a troll with supernatural powers: I mean he knew exactly how to troll humanity with a comic book he called "the Quran".
Right? what a troll !
They warn you from supernatural trolls all the time !!
Quote:some of which include: FGM
No. FGM is not even mentioned in the Quran. It's a habit of heathen societies; not Muslim.
Quote:face veils
No. The whole Quran doesn't even mention face veils.
Quote:flat Earth
No. lol. Please bring me a verse from the Quran because this will be interesting.
Quote:God
Yes. True. AKA Allah.
Quote:angels
Yes. True.
Quote:genies
Yes. BTW there is a whole Sura in the Quran about this "cosmic race" that is known to be formed out of fire.
Quote:fatwas
No.
Quote:jihad
Yes. But the Jihad of the White House that invaded Afghanistan is not really Jihad.
Quote:killing people for apostasy
No. Evidence please
Quote:beating women
Yes if they beat you first
Quote:antisemitism
No.
