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[Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
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[Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
The value of life was described in the Quran to be so high, and the book went on to foretell how murder is terrible:


Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh


( 27 )   And recite to them the story of Adam's two sons, in truth, when they both offered a sacrifice [to Allah], and it was accepted from one of them but was not accepted from the other. Said [the latter], "I will surely kill you." Said [the former], "Indeed, Allah only accepts from the righteous [who fear Him].

( 28 )   If you should raise your hand against me to kill me - I shall not raise my hand against you to kill you. Indeed, I fear Allah, Lord of the worlds.

( 29 )   Indeed I want you to obtain [thereby] my sin and your sin so you will be among the companions of the Fire. And that is the recompense of wrongdoers."

( 30 )   And his soul permitted to him the murder of his brother, so he killed him and became among the losers.

( 31 )   Then Allah sent a crow searching in the ground to show him how to hide the disgrace of his brother. He said, "O woe to me! Have I failed to be like this crow and hide the body of my brother?" And he became of the regretful.

Then the worth of life was stated; being so shockingly high:

Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=5_32&m=hafs&qaree=husary&trans=en_sh

( 32 )   Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.


The murder of a single innocent soul is shockingly equals the killing of all of mankind. But saving one single soul equals to the saving of all of mankind.

I wonder how Muslim terrorists easily spell innocent blood, ignoring the existence of such verse in their own holy book.
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#2
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
I wonder how muslims spill innocent blood. Fuck the terrorists, ofc they're gonna do what terrorists do.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
(March 12, 2020 at 1:54 pm)WinterHold Wrote: The value of life was described in the Quran to be so high, and the book went on to foretell how murder is terrible:


Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh


( 27 )   And recite to them the story of Adam's two sons, in truth, when they both offered a sacrifice [to Allah], and it was accepted from one of them but was not accepted from the other. Said [the latter], "I will surely kill you." Said [the former], "Indeed, Allah only accepts from the righteous [who fear Him].

( 28 )   If you should raise your hand against me to kill me - I shall not raise my hand against you to kill you. Indeed, I fear Allah, Lord of the worlds.

( 29 )   Indeed I want you to obtain [thereby] my sin and your sin so you will be among the companions of the Fire. And that is the recompense of wrongdoers."

( 30 )   And his soul permitted to him the murder of his brother, so he killed him and became among the losers.

( 31 )   Then Allah sent a crow searching in the ground to show him how to hide the disgrace of his brother. He said, "O woe to me! Have I failed to be like this crow and hide the body of my brother?" And he became of the regretful.

Then the worth of life was stated; being so shockingly high:

Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=5_32&m=hafs&qaree=husary&trans=en_sh

( 32 )   Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.


The murder of a single innocent soul is shockingly equals the killing of all of mankind. But saving one single soul equals to the saving of all of mankind.

I wonder how Muslim terrorists easily spell innocent blood, ignoring the existence of such verse in their own holy book.

This should be titled ‘Talmudic Reflection’, since it’s such blatant plagiarism.

Quote:Whoever destroys a soul [of Israel], it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life of Israel, it is considered as if he saved an entire world.

  • Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:5; Yerushalmi Talmud 4:9, Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 37a.


Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#4
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
You should feel ashame of yourself, OP. You are misrepresenting an already largely minsunderstood religion, you are part of why more Muslims turn against their religion, you are part of the disease every well-intentioned Islamic organization out there is trying to cure. How dare you sit there, wherever you are, comfortably and start babbling your own, personal, ignorant, misinformed interpretation of the most important Islamic reference. You are willingly and knowingly dismissing huge chunks of the most basic Islamic teachings and cannot withstand the slightest objection to your pathetic position.

The same Qur'an you think is the sole source of revelation tells you this you who believe! Obey God and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you dispute over anything, refer it to God and the Messenger, [4:59]

How is one supposed to obey the Messenger .. if the Messenger didn't say anything , that is, that there are no reliable Hadiths? Come on, kid. This is kindergarten stuff, unless you think the messenger is the author of the Qur'an and invented God - in which case, you can hardly call yourself a Muslim -  , what else is the Qur'an referring to?

This is the last time I will write anything in your colossal nonsense topics, I am just writing this to warn any other Muslim or non Muslim reading this : You're absolutely wrong about everything in your religion, it's better for everyone, and for you, to keep these reflections to yourself, they are not Qur'anic, they are the moronic you imagining stuff. Remember your religion also tells you will be accountable for every bit of misinformation you tell someone. Take a fucking break and go take a basic course about your religion, what you're doing to yourself, to the Muslim community, and to everyone here, is fucking disgusting.

Shame on you, kid, for distorting our most cherished beliefs for years, and you still repeat the same mistakes with same arrogance. Shame on you and on anyone who encourages/encouraged you to keep writing this horseshit stuff to people already not well versed in Islam.
Qur'anic revelation is the sole path to ultimate reality. All argumentation and philosophy is an expression of arrogance and an overestimation of human cognitive ability. 

"But believe me, Cleanthes, the most natural feeling that a well-disposed mind will have on this occasion is a longing desire and expectation that God will be pleased to remove or at least to lessen this profound ignorance, by giving mankind some particular revelation, revealing the nature, attributes, and operations of the divine object of our faith." (Hume's Dialogues)


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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
Popcorn
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
(March 12, 2020 at 1:54 pm)WinterHold Wrote: The value of life was described in the Quran to be so high, and the book went on to foretell how murder is terrible:


Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh


( 27 )   And recite to them the story of Adam's two sons, in truth, when they both offered a sacrifice [to Allah], and it was accepted from one of them but was not accepted from the other. Said [the latter], "I will surely kill you." Said [the former], "Indeed, Allah only accepts from the righteous [who fear Him].

( 28 )   If you should raise your hand against me to kill me - I shall not raise my hand against you to kill you. Indeed, I fear Allah, Lord of the worlds.

( 29 )   Indeed I want you to obtain [thereby] my sin and your sin so you will be among the companions of the Fire. And that is the recompense of wrongdoers."

( 30 )   And his soul permitted to him the murder of his brother, so he killed him and became among the losers.

( 31 )   Then Allah sent a crow searching in the ground to show him how to hide the disgrace of his brother. He said, "O woe to me! Have I failed to be like this crow and hide the body of my brother?" And he became of the regretful.

Then the worth of life was stated; being so shockingly high:

Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=5_32&m=hafs&qaree=husary&trans=en_sh

( 32 )   Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.


The murder of a single innocent soul is shockingly equals the killing of all of mankind. But saving one single soul equals to the saving of all of mankind.

I wonder how Muslim terrorists easily spell innocent blood, ignoring the existence of such verse in their own holy book.
Nope. Explain 2:191 if you can. Who exactly is the "them" you are supposed to slay? Whoever the "them" is, it is an explicit instruction to kill them FOR NO FUCKING REASON.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
(March 12, 2020 at 2:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(March 12, 2020 at 1:54 pm)WinterHold Wrote: The value of life was described in the Quran to be so high, and the book went on to foretell how murder is terrible:



Then the worth of life was stated; being so shockingly high:



The murder of a single innocent soul is shockingly equals the killing of all of mankind. But saving one single soul equals to the saving of all of mankind.

I wonder how Muslim terrorists easily spell innocent blood, ignoring the existence of such verse in their own holy book.

This should be titled ‘Talmudic Reflection’, since it’s such blatant plagiarism.

Quote:Whoever destroys a soul [of Israel], it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life of Israel, it is considered as if he saved an entire world.
  • Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:5; Yerushalmi Talmud 4:9, Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 37a.


Boru

I'm speaking about the Quran alone. Both The Talmud and the Bible -though forged to the level of containing pornography- also contain fragments which remained correct.

But the forgery is clear here for example: the Talmud said that "only the life of an Israelite" worth the whole world; while in the Quran any innocent "soul" worth the whole world.

(March 12, 2020 at 3:00 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:
(March 12, 2020 at 1:54 pm)WinterHold Wrote: The value of life was described in the Quran to be so high, and the book went on to foretell how murder is terrible:



Then the worth of life was stated; being so shockingly high:



The murder of a single innocent soul is shockingly equals the killing of all of mankind. But saving one single soul equals to the saving of all of mankind.

I wonder how Muslim terrorists easily spell innocent blood, ignoring the existence of such verse in their own holy book.
Nope. Explain 2:191 if you can. Who exactly is the "them" you are supposed to slay? Whoever the "them" is, it is an explicit instruction to kill them FOR NO FUCKING REASON.

You can go back to verse 190 to find out; allow me to quote:

Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=2_187

( 190 )   Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

( 191 )   And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

( 192 )   And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Then, they are the one's who fight me in the way of Allah, though immediately when they cease I shall also cease.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
(March 12, 2020 at 3:37 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(March 12, 2020 at 2:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: This should be titled ‘Talmudic Reflection’, since it’s such blatant plagiarism.



Boru

I'm speaking about the Quran alone. Both Thetalmud and the Bible -though forged to the level of containing pornography- also contain fragments which remained correct.

But the forgery is clear here for example: the Talmud said that "only the life of an Israelite" worth the whole world; while in the Quran any innocent "soul" worth the whole world.

(March 12, 2020 at 3:00 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Nope. Explain 2:191 if you can. Who exactly is the "them" you are supposed to slay? Whoever the "them" is, it is an explicit instruction to kill them FOR NO FUCKING REASON.

You can go back to verse 190 to find out; allow me to quote:

Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=2_187

( 190 )   Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

( 191 )   And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

( 192 )   And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Then, they are the one's who fight me in the way of Allah, though immediately when they cease I shall also cease.

What a typically desperate exegesis.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
Let's just imagine that there's some recalcitrant asshole...call him "The Grand Nudger". Lets just say for the sake of conversation that he will continue to transgress...and will never cease.

Your instructions...from magic book.....not hadiths, are clear, right?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder
(March 12, 2020 at 3:37 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(March 12, 2020 at 2:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: This should be titled ‘Talmudic Reflection’, since it’s such blatant plagiarism.



Boru

I'm speaking about the Quran alone. Both The Talmud and the Bible -though forged to the level of containing pornography- also contain fragments which remained correct.

But the forgery is clear here for example: the Talmud said that "only the life of an Israelite" worth the whole world; while in the Quran any innocent "soul" worth the whole world.

(March 12, 2020 at 3:00 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Nope. Explain 2:191 if you can. Who exactly is the "them" you are supposed to slay? Whoever the "them" is, it is an explicit instruction to kill them FOR NO FUCKING REASON.

You can go back to verse 190 to find out; allow me to quote:

Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=2_187

( 190 )   Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

( 191 )   And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

( 192 )   And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Then, they are the one's who fight me in the way of Allah, though immediately when they cease I shall also cease.

I am an atheist. I think Allah is BS. I will oppose islam whenever and wherever I happen upon the opportunity to do so. It is superstitious nonsense.

Now you are commanded to kill me by your super magic book.

What do you propose to do?
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