RE: Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position
February 25, 2020 at 11:21 am
(This post was last modified: February 25, 2020 at 11:23 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 25, 2020 at 11:08 am)Klorophyll Wrote:I think that you might have missed a few steps before that "therefore heaven"...but who cares? If I don't have any interest in joining your club - why would I want to spend eternity in your club?(February 25, 2020 at 8:16 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Either of you two god botherers ever wonder why the god who made us by magic from clay would need to make oceans to support us?
You can keep wondering about all kinds of stuff being not the way you think it should be if we were indeed fine tuned. It all boils down to : fine tuned universe = heaven. And that's absolutely wrong because one can't justly live in heaven without deserving it, that's what a just God would do, and that's exactly what you have.
A just God wouldn't give one heaven a priori, he would give a reasonably flawed world. The next thing depends on one's performance in it
Quote:Everything is surprising, we just get used to stuff, and that's the real issue. The clever thing to do is to continue to wonder despite the fact that we figured out how certain things work.
You're clearly working with a different definition of surprise. I am not surprised to find that the necessities of existence are met, in the case of existence. This state of affairs is tautologically expected to be true. If some animal needs water, we expect to find water - but it doesn't matter whether a god put the water there or not. However water came to be, if a creature that depends on water exists...water must exist.
Quote:an·throp·ic prin·ci·ple
/anˌTHräpik ˈprinsəp(ə)l/
noun
- the cosmological principle that theories of the universe are constrained by the necessity to allow human existence.
...now, why this appears to be true in a natural universe is self explanatory..but again, why this seems to be true in a magical universe is an open question.
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