Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position

[The Grand Nudger]

You know, you won't look bad if you acknoweldge the misapprehensions you had about any topic.

Sure, and just as soon as you figure out what those might be I'm all ears.  What I keep telling you..though..is that it isn't on account of any misapprehension that I don't want to join your club.

Close your eyes and imagine a world in which people hear what you and magic book have to say about your religion, and your god...and instead of thinking "god is the greatest"..they think - "nah, count me out".  

Now open your eyes....congratulations, you live in just such a world.

As a concrete example, as soon as child marriage is brought up, you begin name calling, unable to let go of the urge of considering your western upbringing/recent legal changes as some absolute moral reference. And I don't think you still understand what anachronism means, or how bad it makes people look like when they fall into it.

Correct.  As soon as child brides come up, I'm out.  You say your boy did it, I accept that you believe this.  There is no misapprehension here.  

I simply don't find relativist excuses compelling, as a moral realist. The ones you floated are particularly repulsive.

No, he's not. You are playing with words and think you can get away with it. A god didn't come from nowhere, nowhere was never an actual state, he is the "where".

I don't think you seriously write this crap, you just don't have any willingness to investigate what people, from the other camp, write to you.

Either god came from something or somewhere or he didn't.  You tell me he didn't, I accept that you believe this.  No misapprehension here.

There's really no point in arguing a god into existence.  This is irrelevant to me, and to whether or not I would join your club. I'm struggling to come up with simpler ways to put this, so that you can understand. Sure..it's true that I don't believe in the fairy tales that you do..but it isn't because I don't believe them that I'm not a muslim. I wouldn't, and couldn't be a muslim even if I did.

That your god is fiction is actually one of the redeeming qualities of your religion, in my opinion. I appreciate that you're having trouble wrapping your head around this - but you're going to have to try if you want to have a conversation with me. Otherwise, you're just repeating shit you practiced for an argument against an imaginary atheist that only exists between your ears. I think that it would be imprudent of you to overlook the opportunity.

You might have underestimated the task before you when it comes to proving a gods existence - but that can be lain entirely aside with me - and probably with most of the people here.

Anywho, as to wonder and clear answers. I don't know whether a god would have to make it's existence known to all, or known in a specific way...but that's referred to as "the sense of the numinous" - and atheists feel it. It's a common human experience. Human perception is generally explained by reference to humans, not gods. If a god does have to send pages of rigorous proofs, as you put it...then there is either no god, or god is still working on the manuscript. Not that it matters much since, as above, whether or not gods exist is irrelevant.

I exist, you're not worshiping me. You exist, I'm not worshiping you. It's pretty clear that neither of us base our decision to worship something on it's existence. Wouldn't you agree?