RE: is Seattle the new fort Sumter?
June 17, 2020 at 7:51 am
(This post was last modified: June 17, 2020 at 8:12 am by The Grand Nudger.)
How did you came to believe that guns and gun rights were the sole possession of the right? Who told you that?
It's very nearly inevitable that any person who believes in god or would argue for a god is going to do so with concepts and terms common to majority beliefs. They form the basis of god concepts in people's heads - and even when a person decides that they don't fit in with that majority, the damage has already been done, and the resources available have still been shaped by those beliefs. This isn't true of god believers, uniquely, either. Say the word god to an atheist, and watch them immediately default to the abrahamic, and make arguments against an abrahamic god.
That our new friend began with the idea of an interventionist god who possesses absolute warrant and a masculine identity is obvious and unremarkable. Still, it's clear that he's put more thought into it than a person who waives a magic book at us. What we see is more likely the product of being on some journey or path to more accurately describing his beliefs, having started off from a majority conceit, than any active attempt to deceive. The particular item in question has been explained. He wrongly supposed that the intervention clause referred to things like finding car keys, curing cancer, writing magic books, and so forth. A god "playing with itself" escaped as a quirk of what he thought about a defining term. The same is true in the case of objective moral value. The notion being that a god objectively wanted what it wants, making something conceptually objective and tautologically true. Just not objective in the sense relevant to moral value.
(June 17, 2020 at 5:41 am)Nomad Wrote: If you don't believe that god intervenes why do you constantly insist that he does? Look, face facts here, your posts here make it abundantly obvious that you're a variety of protestant christian and I would guess of the fundagelical persuasion. No amount of denial will change facts in evidence.
It's very nearly inevitable that any person who believes in god or would argue for a god is going to do so with concepts and terms common to majority beliefs. They form the basis of god concepts in people's heads - and even when a person decides that they don't fit in with that majority, the damage has already been done, and the resources available have still been shaped by those beliefs. This isn't true of god believers, uniquely, either. Say the word god to an atheist, and watch them immediately default to the abrahamic, and make arguments against an abrahamic god.
That our new friend began with the idea of an interventionist god who possesses absolute warrant and a masculine identity is obvious and unremarkable. Still, it's clear that he's put more thought into it than a person who waives a magic book at us. What we see is more likely the product of being on some journey or path to more accurately describing his beliefs, having started off from a majority conceit, than any active attempt to deceive. The particular item in question has been explained. He wrongly supposed that the intervention clause referred to things like finding car keys, curing cancer, writing magic books, and so forth. A god "playing with itself" escaped as a quirk of what he thought about a defining term. The same is true in the case of objective moral value. The notion being that a god objectively wanted what it wants, making something conceptually objective and tautologically true. Just not objective in the sense relevant to moral value.
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