RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
October 11, 2020 at 2:00 pm
(This post was last modified: October 11, 2020 at 2:08 pm by downbeatplumb.)
(October 7, 2020 at 6:48 pm)Sal Wrote:(October 7, 2020 at 6:27 pm)runewell Wrote: How do you lawfully murder someone, if murder is unlawful killing? How do you lawfully unlawfully kill someone? That's a contradication.
As for the non-sequitur, how does it not follow that if God can give life, he can take it away? I wasn't referring to humans there.
And finally you call me in error for not expressing an opinion about the other adjectives??
Do you think man-made laws are descriptive?
How do you square that god, in giving life, supposedly along with the Free Will™, is also sanctioned in ending it? You're arguing for nothing different than for parents to murder their children at a whim. Again, abhorrent and disgusting.
In England it was legal to kill protestants, then a few years later it was legal to kill catholics.
I view both of those as murder, but they were legal at the time.
(October 11, 2020 at 1:29 pm)runewell Wrote:(October 11, 2020 at 2:43 am)Sal Wrote: If you find yourself unable to determine what is right because you lack the moral compass for it (your little notion of recusing yourself, as if it was some legality or something), then by what metric do you determine that god is good™?
Did the Germans have a moral compass when they slaughtered the Jews?
People can do what they think is right or what they want to be right, but that doesn't make it right.
You bring up an important point, by what metric is good defined? If there is no standard of right or wrong and we do as we see fit, there won't be much left to discuss except when differing opinions on what is good eventually clash.
It was quite standard practice in eurpoe for christians to kill jews, the nazis basically expanded an old tradition.
Quote:The Rhineland massacres, also known as the persecutions of 1096 or Gzerot Tatnó[1] (Hebrew: גזרות תתנ"ו, Hebrew for "Edicts of 4856"), were a series of mass murders of Jews perpetrated by mobs of German Christians of the People's Crusade in the year 1096, or 4856 according to the Jewish calendar. The massacre is seen as the first in a sequence of antisemitic events in Europe which culminated in the Holocaust.[2]
Prominent leaders of crusaders involved in the massacres included Peter the Hermit and especially Count Emicho.[3] As part of this persecution, the destruction of Jewish communities in Speyer, Worms and Mainz was noted as the "Hurban Shum" (Destruction of Shum).[4] These were new persecutions of the Jews in which peasant crusaders from France and Germany attacked Jewish communities. A number of historians refer to the antisemitic events as "pogroms".[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhineland_massacres
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.